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Greetings, my name is Rick and I live just outside of Winters, CA on an old walnut ranch. I have been here for 20 years. About 15 years ago I enlarged a small seasonal pond on my property. It is now about 7' deep and about 1/4 acre. I have never had anything in it but Gambusia. I usually let it dry out when the pond weeds get too bad. But now my little boy, 9 years old, has gone nuts for fishing. I have thrown some blue gill and smb in there over the last couple years and they survived until the pond was drained for cleaning. Now I would like to get a permanent population. Our local fish are BG, smb, lmb and the Sacramento perch minnow (squaw fish). So I just cleaned the pond this spring and mosquito abatement threw in some type of very aggressive Gambusia that is about 30% larger than previous populations. I am now reading that people are calling Gambusia "damnbusia" and that they do more harm than good and that BG will keep the mosquitos down just as well. I want to get a population of BG and/or bass that my boy can fish. I will drain the pond it I have to but prefer not. Can I just keep adding DB and SMB and LMB that we catch or will the Gambusia overpopulation stop their reproduction? Right now there are only 4 BG and 4 smb and 1 lmb in there, all under 6 inches and about a gazillion Gambusia. I mean the Gambusia attack me when I get in the pond. Anyhow, that is why I am here. Oh, the pond is well fed all summer and runoff fed in the winter. I have no power out there, no aeration or pumps, etc. Bottom is mud, willows and oaks grow around it and cattails, etc., grow in it. There are no features on the bottom no rubble or anything else. There were hundreds of tree frogs but I think the Gambusia ate all the tadpoles this time. Thanks, Rick

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Welcome!

Throw a few more predators in there (LMB,SMB) and the Gams will be whittled down - they'll eat them. No need to remove the Gams.


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Skeeter abatement? Gub agency?

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JKB, Don't make me drive to Michigan to straighten you out!

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Good morning Dave, I've checked the ships systems, and everything appears to be running normally.
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esshup is right . Don't worry about the gams just go ahead and stock over them.
















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That is good news. OK, we will keep throwing in the BG and the SMB and the occasional LMB, etc. I will let you know how it goes. Looking forward to being a member of the group.

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My name is Daren and I'm currently beginning construction on my ~2.6 acre pond in SE Georgia. I have a very reputable contractor doing the work and it should look amazing as I've seen some of his past digs. The pond will sit on a 5 acre plot and my house will be built with the entire back and side yard having a gorgeous view. I've been following Pond Boss for a while and it's been quite helpful. I look forward to commenting and contributing. Also-- I started a thread titled "New Pond Construction in SE Georgia" that has pictures attached. I would love hearing what you all think. I plan on tracking the progress from day 1 all the way until the house and pole barn are completed 5-6 years from now!

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Hi Darren and welcome to PB. !st thanks much for your service and we pray for all of you every day. May everyone come home safe.
Good luck on your pond and hope you can post progress pictures. Lots of great info,knowledge,and experience here on PB.
I will say in advance thanks for sharing your build with us and the pro's here will guide you in ways that will save you, frustration, harder than needed work, from fish kills and better weed control etc.,at a lower expense than just hit and miss or try it and see.


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Thanks MPC, I appreciate it. I've seen a lot of valuable information on here and am really looking forward to learning more! I'll most definitely keep pictures posted throughout the duration of my build.


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New guy here.. I've wanted a place with a pond for thirty years, I'm finally getting a bit closer. Spent a bit of time navigating around this site, but I'm sure I have just scratched the surface.
I've just purchased 40+ acres in Northeast Missouri. The land sits pretty close to Mark Twain Lake. It's mostly wooded, mature trees, but has about 15 acres in crops.
We've identified two or possibly three spots for ponds, but that's just my guess, which is worth zero.
I'll be trying to find a really reliable individual/company that can help me determine if a pond is possible on the sites, I think might work. All are deep in the woods at this point, and are where the water is draining off through the property now.
I know there must be a million rules and regs about how and where to build.
I'm hoping for no rock, and the right amount of drainage to fill it and keep it that way.
The ultimate goal is about a 5 acre pond, with a house to overlook it some day. While keeping the old trees surrounding everything.. I'm sure I'll have a million questions, and I'll do my best to search first before hand.
My first step will be to meet with the water specialist at the Missouri Dept of Conservation, and have him look over the land, and pick his brain a bit..
Then, if all goes well, I need to find someone in Northeast Missouri that really knows how to build a pond in the woods..
Jeff

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8 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep.
RES, YP, GS, FHM (no longer), HBG (going away), SMB, and HSB (didn’t make it. 0 seen in 5 yrs) Restocked HSB (2020) I think we have survivors!
I think that's about all I should put in my little pond.
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Welcome!

Before getting the dept of conservation involved, talk to the guys at your county NRCS office.

http://www.nrcs.usda.gov/wps/portal/nrcs/site/mo/


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@ Setterguy.

Welcome to Pond Boss. I have words of caution for you, when it comes to dealing with the MDC. Tread lightly. When the MDC becomes involved, your pond may become "State Waters". In the back of the wildlife code book,(the small thick booklet you may receive when getting a hunting/fishing license) there is a list of definitions. Read the definition for "State Waters".

After taxpayer monies become involved, your pond will become defined as "state waters". The officials will tell you that they will not regulate your pond persay. In my non-legal professional opinion, it at the moment is merely an un enforced law for the time being. Someday, it may become enforced. I'm not telling you what to do, but am trying to keep you from having any surprises!


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Welcome to PB posting SetterGuy. JamesBryam may not be a lawyer ( non-legal professional opinion) but he has given excellent advice. I am and can safely concur in his thought and the warning about surprises.

For advice on ponds from many states see this list of state mgt books from the archives but better yet read and search on the Forum.

http://forums.pondboss.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=113216#Post113216

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ewest and James, would he have the same concerns if the NRCS were to be involved instead of the MDC?


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Esshup, I can only assume that if money, and physical action is actually spent, that yes there would be some "ties that bind". I have noticed on googleearth, that there are many bodies of water, (in my area at least) When scrolling these bodies of water(including ponds) have a name that appears over them. While others, such as mine, which have not been built with tax dollars involved, have no name.

I am very uneasy of government involvement.

The laws are not written for the common man to be able to find and read, nor are they meant for the common man to interpret.

Many years ago, when a large amount of land went through the Federal Land Bank, the mineral rights were retained. Thus many people today, buy property, without knowing, the entity that owns the mineral rights have the legal power to start a gravel quarry in the back yard.

It gets pretty thick.


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Taken from the website of MDC WILDLIFE CODE. Chapter 20

http://www.sos.mo.gov/adrules/csr/current/3csr/3c10-20.pdf

(58) Waters of the state: All rivers, streams,
lakes, and other bodies of surface water lying
within or forming a part of the boundaries of
the state which are not entirely confined and
located completely upon lands owned or
leased by a single person or by two (2) or
more persons jointly or as tenants in common
or by corporate shareholders, and including
waters of the United States lying within the
state. Waters of the state will include any
waters which have been stocked by the state
or which are subject to movement of fishes to
and from waters of the state.

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Esshup,
I checked out the site. However, because I'm "unfortunately" so uninformed, and new to all of this, I'm not sure what or where I'm supposed to get from theUSDA/NRCS site..
Any additional guidance would be appreciated..
Also, why USDA before the Mo Dept of Cons? Just curious.

Thanks
Jeff


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RES, YP, GS, FHM (no longer), HBG (going away), SMB, and HSB (didn’t make it. 0 seen in 5 yrs) Restocked HSB (2020) I think we have survivors!
I think that's about all I should put in my little pond.
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Originally Posted By: JamesBryan
@ Setterguy.

Welcome to Pond Boss. I have words of caution for you, when it comes to dealing with the MDC. Tread lightly. When the MDC becomes involved, your pond may become "State Waters". In the back of the wildlife code book,(the small thick booklet you may receive when getting a hunting/fishing license) there is a list of definitions. Read the definition for "State Waters".

After taxpayer monies become involved, your pond will become defined as "state waters". The officials will tell you that they will not regulate your pond persay. In my non-legal professional opinion, it at the moment is merely an un enforced law for the time being. Someday, it may become enforced. I'm not telling you what to do, but am trying to keep you from having any surprises!


Wow, thanks! I had heard of that before, and when/if it comes to that. I'll not accept the funds.. It'll be hard enough to keep others out, without the state promoting its a public lake. Whew..


8 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep.
RES, YP, GS, FHM (no longer), HBG (going away), SMB, and HSB (didn’t make it. 0 seen in 5 yrs) Restocked HSB (2020) I think we have survivors!
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SetterGuy:

On the NRCS website, find the office that is in your county. Call them or go in to visit. They can tell you if your pond area will have enough watershed to keep it full, whether the soil is good, marginal or bad for retaining water, and other things. You are paying for them now through your tax dollars. They should also be able to tell you what size primary and secondary overflow you'll need, and give you a list of "pond builders" in your area. The key with that list is to ask them "If you were to call people on the list for quotes, who would the first 3 or 5 be that you'd call?"


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SetterGuy:

On the NRCS website, find the office that is in your county. Call them or go in to visit. They can tell you if your pond area will have enough watershed to keep it full, whether the soil is good, marginal or bad for retaining water, and other things. You are paying for them now through your tax dollars. They should also be able to tell you what size primary and secondary overflow you'll need, and give you a list of "pond builders" in your area. The key with that list is to ask them "If you were to call people on the list for quotes, who would the first 3 or 5 be that you'd call?"


Perfect! This is exactly what I need.
Thank you!


8 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep.
RES, YP, GS, FHM (no longer), HBG (going away), SMB, and HSB (didn’t make it. 0 seen in 5 yrs) Restocked HSB (2020) I think we have survivors!
I think that's about all I should put in my little pond.
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My name is Ray, I'm a fisheries biologist for a pond management company in TX. Just joined to see what kind of questions I can help with and maybe even learn a thing or two. 8+ years experience working in MS and TX. Any questions, just ask. Thanks....

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Hi all, Mark here from Northeast Ohio. We own 76 acres of woodland East of Canton, and I am considering a (approx.) 2 acre pond on the property. We've got plenty of watershed and shouldn't have too much trouble with soil type (property used to be a clay mine).

Anyway, just wanted to say hey, and I look forward to learning all I can.

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Welcome, All!!


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Welcome Ray and Mark. John here but go by snrub.

Wish I had found PBF before I built my main pond Mark. Did find it shortly after it was built though and glad I did. You can learn a lot of valuable stuff on here and hopefully avoid some disappointing mistakes because of it while building and stocking your own new pond.

Ray I'm sure your comments and opinions will be appreciated and be a valuable addition.


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Hi, my name is Jeremy and I am previously a Fisheries Biologist with a background in management of small impoundments, small trout streams and commercial fisheries. Now I deal with groundwater and the Marcellus gas drilling in Central Appalachia. I live on 50 wooded acres in NC WV with a 1/3 acre cold/coolwater pond in which I raise Rainbow and Brown Trout. I also own 3/4 mile of trout stream which I manage with supplemental Brown and Rainbow trout fingerlings due to limited natural reproduction and also the implementation of in-stream habitat improvement devices such as jack-dams and wing deflectors. I hope to contribute my knowledge of fisheries to the forum and also learn anything I can from others.


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