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Cecil, what size pump (GPH) are you using? It's 600 gph and 35 watts. I got it from Stoney Creek. You can run an entire system on air even more efficiently.
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Cecil,
We are about to finish our house and I am getting ready to set up my system in the basement so it is ready for the fall. I am looking a possibly a square 180 gallon tank because it will fit better in my space. Do you see any problems with a square tank vs. a round one?
It won't self clean very well and you'll have solids sitting on the bottom in what are known as "dead zones." You can do it but you will be limiting your carrying capacity by not removing waste efficiently. Couldn't you block off the corners somehow and help improve that situation? Yes but why not just get a circular tank and not have to make alterations?
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So you have a better mouse trap on paper? Please don't take offense, but something on paper that has not been evaluated is not as significant as someone that used all of the above, and documented their trials in research studies and books using several species. The three gentlemen I mentioned that have shown circular tanks to be superior for a lot of reasons. I've met Summerfelt and if he's anything he's a very gifted engineer. When he starts in with is graphs, stats, and field trials you can get lost if you're not paying full attention. ...I just know what works from a different perspective. Have you actually raised any fish in an RAS yet JKB? I'm impressed by your ideas but engineering is only part of the equation when it comes to fish as there is a biological component. Do you think I would spend all this money on a flop. I don't know you well. Don't even know your real name although I'm thinking it's Phil? I would hope you don't but many have. The last 20 years are replete with systems that looked good on paper but failed to be economically feasible due to too many bells and whistles. This is just another machine to me that has to perform in the most effective manner. That also includes high reliability and multiple layers of redundancy.
That's nice but sometimes the more gadgets you have the more can go wrong. There's nothing like a person that is constantly watching vs. depending on gadgets.
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I have what I know will perform well after tests and trials.
Yes. CC, Suckers and a huge amount of baitfish. Guess they were the guinea pigs in tests. Seems like the wrong species to get data from for your interest in raising coldwater fish like coho. I believe they are all very talented. You mentioned several times not to trust these people that do studies, research and stuff like that.   Not exactly. I said they don't have a bottom line to worry about and have plenty of funding so their systems as portrayed may not be duplicatible for everyone. But they still can show technically with data what does and does not work. I.e. tanks that are not self cleaning are doomed to be inefficient and reduce profits by elevating ammonia and nitrites levels. We all do what we have to do. Yes we do. Interesting subject as always, but I am not influenced by others opinions. Likewise. I go by personal experience and as president of our aquaculture association I get to see what works and what doesn't work when it comes to the real world. I'm looking forward to you sharing your system in photos here like I did - if you do.
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I'll just refrain from posting on this subject in the future 
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Now JKB. You refute what I said completely and you expect me to not say anything?  I'm done on this thread. I won't convince you and you won't convince me. No need to get anyone's hackle's up. I still look forward to your threads and look forward to the time you get your system running.
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