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#249432 02/24/11 07:57 PM
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I was just wanting to get some info on these fish. Ive read quite abit in the forum from past post but they really dont get much coverage....For instance feed training.. Habitat preferences.. Spawning locations and details. You know just a good thread dedicated to YP and success stories from some of you guys who have them.. I find these fish very intriquing(sp).. Since i had this massive bass die off im thinking now may be a good time to add. Along with a bunch of others..

So Guys if you wanna share id love to hear theres not alot in the archives on these baby's

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You will need to provide them with plenty of cover for them to survive predation, especially in a pond with LMB. I am actually unsure of anyone having pellet trained YP so I'm interested in hearing thoughts on that as well. I'm sure it's possible, but like LMB, SMB, BC, etc, YP are predators and would tend not to take easily to pellets. As far as spawning, I'm sure you've seen the threads and PB articles regarding the type of eggs they lay. The word the experts use to describe it escapes me at the moment, but it's a gooey ribbon and I believe utilize vegetation for this, affixing this ribbon to the plants. More expert information soon to follow I'm sure. Oh, deeper water might be necessary too. YP like that colder water so they would need greater depths to escape warmer surface water during the summer.

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Bill Cody has a pond full of pellet trained/fed YP. The YP I deliver are all 100% feed/pellet trained.



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Would they spread there eggs on primrose? And what depths do they usually lay eggs..? I've read a bit of bill cody's info on YP, I'm thinking nows better than ever to stock these fish along with other since most if not all my big bass died.. But I'm managing my pond to be a monster bluegill pond and I don't want to interfere or disrupt that process in anyway..

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Here is some good info on YP.
Yellow Perch Culture Guide

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Originally Posted By: Bluegillerkiller
Would they spread there eggs on primrose? And what depths do they usually lay eggs..? I've read a bit of bill cody's info on YP, I'm thinking nows better than ever to stock these fish along with other since most if not all my big bass died.. But I'm managing my pond to be a monster bluegill pond and I don't want to interfere or disrupt that process in anyway..


They will spread their eggs on whatever is available. I used to see alot of eggs draped in dead cattails. The eggs I usually see are in 2 to 3 feet of water but there are always a few that are dropped in deep water on top of aquatic vegetation.

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Originally Posted By: JKB
Here is some good info on YP.
Yellow Perch Culture Guide



Wow that is a good read JKB thanks..


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In my situation I'm gonna be limiting my structure to little as possible to help raise monster gills.. I quess I could make a small area more adapt to YP for laying eggs.. My pond is always wrapped in primrose which will help too.. Thanks for the info so far guys..


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I am gradually collecting more information and working on a new series of articles about YP for Pond Boss magazine. Yellow perch are my passion. CB1 calls me Dr. Perca (Perca genus name of YP). I should probably get busy and finish those articles this year.

YP especially those domesticated for several years will readily accept pellets. Although as with any pellet raised fish, the number of offspring from those original pellet trained stockers that become trained to pellets is highly variable and depends primarily on how those recruitment fish are managed. Thus after stocking any pellet raised fish, and when those original stockers die of old age or are harvested, the pond MAY not have very many pellet eating fish. The pond may have to receive supplimental stockings of larger pellet raised YP to maintain a higher number of pellet eating YP. It all depends!

Spawning - YP will usually lay eggs in shallow water near or very close to the shoreline if there are weeds or branches available for attaching their egg strands or ribbons. In early spring when YP spawn (50F), usually the only weed growth available are the old weed stems from last year's growth. Undraped egg strands laid at any depth will sink to the bottom where hatching percentage is always lower. Perch will lay eggs on structure in deep water (6-20ft deep), but I don't think that is the usual or preferred location. I am not familiar with primrose, but any vegetation or tree branches present in shallow water when YP spawn (48-54F) very early in the growing season will be used for draping their egg ribbons.

All the BEST and most successful YP ponds in my area do not have any LMB. Note the goal for these ponds are to have lots of large YP for harvest and not for growing primarily a forage or panfish to feed bucket mouth bass or aka green carp. Note Dr. Willis in the Upper Northwest Central US is able to utilize LMB with YP and is fairly successful. I think in his situations most of the ponds he has studied are larger ponds (+ - abt 5 ac). My preferred choices for commonly available alternative predators with YP in smaller ponds in order preference are: SMB &or HSB, WE, and even CC, NP, although the CC and NP will get large enough to be eating the larger YP. The three main problems that I have with LMB are 1. they decimate the small soft rayed forage fish community that is VERY important for growing numerous, large YP; 2. the LMB (12"-18") are able to eat and do target larger fusiform shaped YP compared to BG or other sunfish/crappie, and 3. LMB are prolific and in abundance they preferrably eat most all, if not all the 2"-7" YP before those YP can grow large enough (2-4yrs) to avoid predation and be available for harvest (8"-12"). This results in a very low number of YP available for harvest. Note heavy, dense cover will protect small YP from the heavy LMB predation. But who wants a pond with an abundance of heavy, dense cover, usually involving lots of underwater ever expanding and often nuisance weeds that make angling and management a chore? IMO the YP should be grown and harvested primarily for table use, not used to feed LMB.

Be forewarned that since YP are considered a cool water species, the maximum water temperatures in your St Louis region may be too high (90+F) for good survival of the largest oldest YP (12-14"). I do not have a lot of data on this topic from southern growers. The strain or adapted acclimation of YP may have some affect on this temperature issue. We do see some mortality of the largest YP due to heat stress during some NW Ohio summers.

IMO and probably that of several others here, is that it is not a good idea to introduce YP into a pond where the goal is primarily trophy BG. YP are a predator panfish and will definately compete with BG for invertebrate foods. This has to influence the BG population to some degree. It will depend on how much influence an the trophy BG are you willing to tolerate? The more the large BG are devoted to feeding on pellets the less the influence from YP will be. Definately the addition of another species to the pond system, will make the food chain and management more complex. If you want YP just for diversity with minimal competitive influence consider adding only female YP. YP are easy to recognize the sex during spawning season.

Have you read my old 3 articles from Farm Pond Harvest magazine about YP if the goal is primarily YP?

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No I have not read that.. But I'd love too..

Basically YP is not a good choice in my pond.. That sucks I would like more diversity..

I'm building another pond instead of a second garage to fix these issues.. smile

I like YP but I want to dedicate my pond to BG and I don't want to risk anything by adding another species..


I believe in catch and release. I catch then release to the grease..

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BGKiller - I think you are wise in your choice to at this point, omit YP form your pond if your goal is primarily BG AND trophy BG. As I mentioned above one viable option that you do have is to stock only mature (gravid) female YP. You get a few YP as bonus fish that grow large while eliminating the problem of significant competition from a reproducing species.


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What about adding a net pen or cages for YP. You would have to feed them, but they would not get in the way of your BG plans.

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They'd still be competing with my bluegill after release.. And we can't have that..


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You just grow them out in them. They wont be released to the open pond.

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Dr. Perca, how are your YP faring this winter with all the ice and snow?


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As of Mar 12, I still had 80% ice cover, although it is now thin and melting fairly quickly. My ice forms later and leaves later compared to other nearby ponds that are exposed to more wind action. Water around the dock and fish cages was open. I dropped hydrated, rolled pellets into the perch cages and they did eat pellets. Thus I assume no YP deaths due to low DO this winter. I did loose the 4 RES that were in a cage for 3 yrs. I think the low winter DO of 2 mg/L was too low for them becasue those 4 RES survived previous winters in that cage.

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How big had those RES become?

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Largest ones 9".


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Largest ones as males 9.5".

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These were cage raised from a small size and I am assuming pellet trained?

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Introduced to cage life at around 3"-4" and then pellet trained. A few YP and PS were also in the cage. PS did not make it in the 2ml/L DO sag but YP did. Monday morning pond is 80% ice free. Ice left about 4pm Monday.

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Wow Bill, I didn't know PS's needed higher O2 than YP, I guess my O2 in the pond stays higher than that cause the PS always survive but not high enough for the trout.

I put 6 adult YP in the pond last summer so hopefully they will make it, and maybe the trout finally.



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Will YP have any chance of survival in a 1/2 acre pond in Southern GA? Max depth about 6 ft?

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Originally Posted By: Dawghall
Will YP have any chance of survival in a 1/2 acre pond in Southern GA? Max depth about 6 ft?


They could survive but they are coolwater fish so don't expect any performance out of them. Personally I wouldn't waste my time down there. Bill?

If you had your heart set on them try and find a southern source. I'm pretty sure at least one fish farm in South Carolina raises them. Or is it North Carolina?

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I have just heard about how good they were to eat and was interested. I know they are in some northern GA lakes, but the temp's are alot hotter down here. Also, the pond I have isn't really deep so I'm most likely out of luck on YP


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