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#244030 01/04/11 08:56 AM
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Last year I hand fed our club pond each evening and morning. I noted that while some of the food was taken on top, it seemed that the fish were eating it after it started to sink. The only thing I saw eating it was BG and GSF. The food was Nutri Source Farm Pond food I bought at Tractor Supply.

I see this Game Fish Chow from Purina. It says different size pellets. I don't want the large pellets going to waste or getting eaten by bullheads, which is all we have as far as catfish.

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It's been said on here before to feed fish pellets that are roughly the size of their eyes. GFC has a vairety of pellet sizes in it, the largest being roughly 1/4". AquaMax grower 500 has basically the same pellet size that you are feeding now.

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Of the feeds I have used GFC seems to float a little longer before sinking.
















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Actually, if I buy 500 pounds of Aqua the price is about the same as the Nutri, within 2 cents a pound.

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What are their contents ?
















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Aquamax grower 500 is listed as 41% protein. Nutri is listed as 36%.

I was only going to feed our 1/4 acre pond 3 pounds a day. 1-1/2 morning, 1-1/2 evening.

When I was hand feeding I'd toss it put near the diffuser and let it drive it back. The fish ate it better then.


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Don't it have to be a certain kind of protein to add real weight to fish. I remember reading here somewhere.


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This is where I got the good dope on Purina Aquamax.

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Originally Posted By: armednfree
Aquamax grower 500 is listed as 41% protein. Nutri is listed as 36%.

I was only going to feed our 1/4 acre pond 3 pounds a day. 1-1/2 morning, 1-1/2 evening.

When I was hand feeding I'd toss it put near the diffuser and let it drive it back. The fish ate it better then.


That is a lot of feed per day for a 1/4 acre pond. Is that how much you fed last year?

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That is a lot of feed per day for a 1/4 acre pond. Is that how much you fed last year?


Is it? How much is reasonable? Last year was about 1.5-2 pounds, usually once in the evening and split between two locations. If a single feeder will do it that would be fine. Will the left over feed be good until the next year?


I suppose I could set two feeders to toss 1/2 pound each morning and evening

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http://www.pondboss.com/forums/ubbthread...5520#Post155520

I started this thread to get a forum average. Time to give it a nudge.


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So, going by that, would 180 pounds acre/month be too much to calculate? That would be for me (1.5x4)30/4=45 pounds a month actual. I wanted to split it and use two feeders doing that amount, but by what I read 360 pounds acre/month is way high.

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Seems high to me.. I don't feed though.. I bought a feeder and will start feeding this spring. I was planning on feeding a bag a month through 1 feeder I have a 3.5 acre pond..


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There's really no set amount of food to feed. Let the fish tell you how much they want. They should eat it all within 15 to 20 minutes every feeding period. If there is still more floating after that, all you are doing is adding to the nutrient load of the pond and will have an algae/weed problem down the road.


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For BG , LMB , HSB , trout , YP the source of protein is key. It should IMO be fish based (fish meal , fish oil). For catfish , tilapia and grazers then plant sources are ok (soy , grain ).
















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They should eat it all within 15 to 20 minutes every feeding period



Here's the thing that is different than what I'm told. I toss the feed in and there is some feeding at the surface, GSF kill it. But I watch and as the feed sinks below the water, Then the BG's start hitting it. They actually seem to wait under it until it starts to sink. weird huh?

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From what I've heard/read that's kinda common.. My question is how are you suppose to know what's getting ate in 15 minutes if it's all sunk? Sorry to but in on your topic..


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Yeah, I know. I did go through a spell that I fed heavier, found these two brown blobs, just to, I figure was the fat from the feed, but I don't know.


I feed about 1.5 ponds a day. I can't see it actually causing a problem in a pond that is aggressively aerated.


Let me expand that. Generally it's the larger gills doing that. The smaller ones hit it as soon as it is near what ever cover they are in. Like under some chara.

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The Nutri-source feed you buy must sink more quickly than other brands. You might want to try a bag of AM 500 or Game Fish Chow to get a good idea of how much they are eating in the 15 min time window. The AM 600 seems to sink faster than the other 2.

My feed trained bass also seem to hit the sinking 600 pellets more readily than ones that are still floating. It must be a comfort zone thing.


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AM 500 is what I have the price on. I don't figure on training bass and I don't want to feed the bullheads. Just the BG's. We have some GSF, big dang things at the end of the year, real eating size.

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I recently talked to Lusk about this. He now recommends only fish oil based feeds like Aquamax for bluegill and other predators.

For catfish, plant based 32% is plenty.


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Looking through the Nutrisource web sight It seems to indicat a mostly plant base. The only animal products listed are a protein from feathers and hair. That and maybe some fat with the source not listed.

It seems like the protein components are from a chicken processing plants scrap pile.

I bet when I start feeding the Aquamax 500 they go nuts over it.

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Originally Posted By: Bluegillerkiller
From what I've heard/read that's kinda common.. My question is how are you suppose to know what's getting ate in 15 minutes if it's all sunk? Sorry to but in on your topic..


My experience with AquaMax is that it floats much longer than 20 or 30 minutes. I am sure some of it sinks, but even an hour or an hour and a half later some is still floating.

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So if I find it has drifted to the shore and is there say in the middle of the day I should reduce the timer on the feeder?


I was looking at this Moultrie directional feeder kit. I was wondering how much feed it throws per second.

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Originally Posted By: armednfree
So if I find it has drifted to the shore and is there say in the middle of the day I should reduce the timer on the feeder?


Exactly!

Originally Posted By: armednfree

I was looking at this Moultrie directional feeder kit. I was wondering how much feed it throws per second.


Unless the feeder was designed specifically for fish feeding, then it most likely was designed for feeding wildlife, and that usually means whole corn. I found that while Aquamax 500 fed thru those types of feeders consistently, when I switched to AM600 those wildlife type feeders struggled with the larger pellet size, resulting in a lot of clogs. The amount of feed that is thrown per second is dependant on pellet size. The mfg. should be able to tell you what their baseline pellet size was when the feeder was designed and how much it threw per second.


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