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Re: Did I mess up? Cecil Baird1 #195452 12/15/09 12:21 AM Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 7,099 Likes: 23 St Louis, MO area R Rainman Ambassador Field Correspondent Hall of Fame Lunker Rainman Ambassador Field Correspondent Hall of Fame Lunker R Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 7,099 Likes: 23 St Louis, MO area Cecil, got to the local pet store and buy a bottle of API (aquarium pharmaceuticals inc.) brand "StressZyme" it has some excellent live, non-sulpher fixing bacteria that will have you adding fish in no time.

Re: Did I mess up? adirondack pond #195886 12/19/09 12:50 AM Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 20,043 Likes: 1 Northeastern Indiana Cecil Baird1 OP Hall of Fame Lunker OP Cecil Baird1 Hall of Fame Lunker Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 20,043 Likes: 1 Northeastern Indiana  Originally Posted By: adirondack pond Here's the sign Cecil is posting next to his fish tank. If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.

Re: Did I mess up? Cecil Baird1 #195888 12/19/09 01:06 AM Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 28,541 Likes: 845 Grovertown, Indiana esshup Moderator Ambassador Field Correspondent Lunker esshup Moderator Ambassador Field Correspondent Lunker Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 28,541 Likes: 845 Grovertown, Indiana Cecil, you had the camera at the wrong angle! www.hoosierpondpros.com http://www.pondboss.com/subscribe.asp?c=4 3/4 to 1 1/4 ac pond LMB, SMB, PS, BG, RES, CC, YP, Bardello BG, (RBT & Blue Tilapia - seasonal).

Re: Did I mess up? esshup #195890 12/19/09 02:07 AM Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 20,043 Likes: 1 Northeastern Indiana Cecil Baird1 OP Hall of Fame Lunker OP Cecil Baird1 Hall of Fame Lunker Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 20,043 Likes: 1 Northeastern Indiana Shhhhh! I'm sure the photo will be short lived as it is. Just to be honest that was staged. No tinkling going on. Even though I've had three fish farmers tell me that is how they get the two bacteria species going I can't get myself to do it yet. Last edited by Cecil Baird1; 12/19/09 02:09 AM. If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.

Re: Did I mess up? Cecil Baird1 #195891 12/19/09 02:11 AM Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 28,541 Likes: 845 Grovertown, Indiana esshup Moderator Ambassador Field Correspondent Lunker esshup Moderator Ambassador Field Correspondent Lunker Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 28,541 Likes: 845 Grovertown, Indiana  Originally Posted By: Cecil Baird1 Just to be honest that was staged. No tinkling going on. Even though I've had three fish farmers tell me that is how they get the two bacteria species going I can't get myself to do it yet. You're just saying that to try and slip it past the Moderators! Any success yet or still playing the waiting game? The trout are still gobbling up the pellets, feeding 1x day now. www.hoosierpondpros.com http://www.pondboss.com/subscribe.asp?c=4 3/4 to 1 1/4 ac pond LMB, SMB, PS, BG, RES, CC, YP, Bardello BG, (RBT & Blue Tilapia - seasonal).

Re: Did I mess up? Cecil Baird1 #195892 12/19/09 02:32 AM Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,692 Michigan J JKB Hall of Fame 2015 Lunker JKB Hall of Fame 2015 Lunker J Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,692 Michigan  Originally Posted By: Cecil Baird1 Just to be honest that was staged. No tinkling going on. Even though I've had three fish farmers tell me that is how they get the two bacteria species going I can't get myself to do it yet. Yeah, right You saw that water and it was all over have to come up with an appropriate nick name, but nothing rhymes with Cecil, so you are off the hook.

Re: Did I mess up? JKB #195893 12/19/09 02:36 AM Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 644 North of KC, MO W Weissguy Ambassador Field Correspondent Lunker Weissguy Ambassador Field Correspondent Lunker W Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 644 North of KC, MO Just pee in it and get it over with. hehe 12 ac pond in NW Missouri. 28' max depth at full pool. Fish Present: LMB, BG, RES, YP, CC, WB, HSB, WE, BCP, WCP, GSH.

Re: Did I mess up? Cecil Baird1 #195894 12/19/09 02:52 AM Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,692 Michigan J JKB Hall of Fame 2015 Lunker JKB Hall of Fame 2015 Lunker J Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,692 Michigan Just make sure Theo don't pee in your tank, you would have to look up what he peed!

Re: Did I mess up? JKB #195923 12/19/09 10:45 AM Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 20,043 Likes: 1 Northeastern Indiana Cecil Baird1 OP Hall of Fame Lunker OP Cecil Baird1 Hall of Fame Lunker Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 20,043 Likes: 1 Northeastern Indiana I'm on cholesteral meds. Are low cholesterol bacteria O.K.? Last edited by Cecil Baird1; 12/19/09 10:47 AM. If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.

Re: Did I mess up? Cecil Baird1 #195925 12/19/09 10:53 AM Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 7,615 Likes: 5 Pond in No CA, Me in So CA J jeffhasapond Ambassador Field Correspondent Lunker jeffhasapond Ambassador Field Correspondent Lunker J Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 7,615 Likes: 5 Pond in No CA, Me in So CA  Originally Posted By: Cecil Baird1 Just to be honest that was staged. No tinkling going on. Even though I've had three fish farmers tell me that is how they get the two bacteria species going I can't get myself to do it yet. Hmmm, I can only imagine the conversation between you and your wife if she caught you "adding bacteria" to your RAS. I'd think you'd be fine as long as you don't try to add structure. OH NO, I can't believe I wrote that. JHAP ~~~~~~~~~~ "My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives." ...Hedley Lamarr (that's Hedley not Hedy)

Re: Did I mess up? jeffhasapond #195935 12/19/09 11:45 AM Joined: May 2004 Posts: 13,975 Likes: 277 Central Ohio Theo Gallus Moderator Lunker Theo Gallus Moderator Lunker Joined: May 2004 Posts: 13,975 Likes: 277 Central Ohio I can. "Live like you'll die tomorrow, but manage your grass like you'll live forever." -S. M. Stirling

Re: Did I mess up? jeffhasapond #196016 12/19/09 10:03 PM Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 20,043 Likes: 1 Northeastern Indiana Cecil Baird1 OP Hall of Fame Lunker OP Cecil Baird1 Hall of Fame Lunker Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 20,043 Likes: 1 Northeastern Indiana  Originally Posted By: jeffhasapond  Originally Posted By: Cecil Baird1 Just to be honest that was staged. No tinkling going on. Even though I've had three fish farmers tell me that is how they get the two bacteria species going I can't get myself to do it yet. Hmmm, I can only imagine the conversation between you and your wife if she caught you "adding bacteria" to your RAS. I'd think you'd be fine as long as you don't try to add structure. OH NO, I can't believe I wrote that. She took the staged picture actually. She's very open minded. She has to be being stuck with me. I have done the dirty deed. We shall see if it does the job. If the fish grow exceptionally fast I'm marketing the water. Ken Holyoke ain't got nothin' on me. Last edited by Cecil Baird1; 12/19/09 10:04 PM. If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.

Re: Did I mess up? Cecil Baird1 #196024 12/19/09 11:05 PM Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,692 Michigan J JKB Hall of Fame 2015 Lunker JKB Hall of Fame 2015 Lunker J Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,692 Michigan I am going to be checking the labels at grocery store really close the next time I buy fish. If it says "Product of Indiana", I just may pass

Re: Did I mess up? Cecil Baird1 #196063 12/20/09 11:28 AM Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 7,615 Likes: 5 Pond in No CA, Me in So CA J jeffhasapond Ambassador Field Correspondent Lunker jeffhasapond Ambassador Field Correspondent Lunker J Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 7,615 Likes: 5 Pond in No CA, Me in So CA  Originally Posted By: Cecil Baird1 I have done the dirty deed. We shall see if it does the job. If the fish grow exceptionally fast I'm marketing the water. So did you add bacteria or structure or both? JHAP ~~~~~~~~~~ "My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives." ...Hedley Lamarr (that's Hedley not Hedy)

Re: Did I mess up? JKB #196064 12/20/09 11:28 AM Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 7,615 Likes: 5 Pond in No CA, Me in So CA J jeffhasapond Ambassador Field Correspondent Lunker jeffhasapond Ambassador Field Correspondent Lunker J Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 7,615 Likes: 5 Pond in No CA, Me in So CA  Originally Posted By: JKB If it says "Product of Indiana", I just may pass Wise idea. JHAP ~~~~~~~~~~ "My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives." ...Hedley Lamarr (that's Hedley not Hedy)

Re: Did I mess up? jeffhasapond #196089 12/20/09 01:01 PM Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,435 S. Mississippi R rmedgar Ambassador Hall of Fame 2014 Lunker rmedgar Ambassador Hall of Fame 2014 Lunker R Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,435 S. Mississippi  Originally Posted By: jeffhasapond  Originally Posted By: Cecil Baird1 I have done the dirty deed. We shall see if it does the job. If the fish grow exceptionally fast I'm marketing the water. So did you add bacteria or structure or both? Something else to consider: When we go deep-sea fishing, we often try "chumming". I'm usually the "chummer"... Just do it...

Re: Did I mess up? jeffhasapond #196091 12/20/09 01:08 PM Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 20,043 Likes: 1 Northeastern Indiana Cecil Baird1 OP Hall of Fame Lunker OP Cecil Baird1 Hall of Fame Lunker Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 20,043 Likes: 1 Northeastern Indiana  Originally Posted By: jeffhasapond  Originally Posted By: JKB If it says "Product of Indiana", I just may pass Wise idea. Disclaimer: This product has been found to cause cancer in the state of California. If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.

Re: Did I mess up? rmedgar #196092 12/20/09 01:09 PM Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 20,043 Likes: 1 Northeastern Indiana Cecil Baird1 OP Hall of Fame Lunker OP Cecil Baird1 Hall of Fame Lunker Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 20,043 Likes: 1 Northeastern Indiana  Originally Posted By: rmedgar  Originally Posted By: jeffhasapond  Originally Posted By: Cecil Baird1 I have done the dirty deed. We shall see if it does the job. If the fish grow exceptionally fast I'm marketing the water. So did you add bacteria or structure or both? Something else to consider: When we go deep-sea fishing, we often try "chumming". I'm usually the "chummer"... And don't forget out oceans have become the garbage dumps and cesspools of the world. Last edited by Cecil Baird1; 12/20/09 01:09 PM. If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.

Re: Did I mess up? Cecil Baird1 #196093 12/20/09 01:11 PM Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 20,043 Likes: 1 Northeastern Indiana Cecil Baird1 OP Hall of Fame Lunker OP Cecil Baird1 Hall of Fame Lunker Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 20,043 Likes: 1 Northeastern Indiana I checked ammonia today after "fertilization" yesterday only 0.46 mg/l. The ammonia should be in the 2 to 3 mg/l range to get the nitrosomonas going. Am I supposed to keep peeing into my tank? Last edited by Cecil Baird1; 12/20/09 01:12 PM. If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.

Re: Did I mess up? Cecil Baird1 #196097 12/20/09 01:42 PM Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,135 big moose ny A adirondack pond Ambassador Lunker adirondack pond Ambassador Lunker A Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,135 big moose ny Cecil, I think it's time to sacrifice a few fish to preserve your sanity.

Re: Did I mess up? adirondack pond #196100 12/20/09 01:53 PM Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,025 Likes: 1 Houston, Tx. B burgermeister Lunker burgermeister Lunker B Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,025 Likes: 1 Houston, Tx. I'm still saying get some ag fertilizer with N2 source of synthetic urea and throw some in there.

Re: Did I mess up? burgermeister #196102 12/20/09 02:09 PM Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 28,541 Likes: 845 Grovertown, Indiana esshup Moderator Ambassador Field Correspondent Lunker esshup Moderator Ambassador Field Correspondent Lunker Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 28,541 Likes: 845 Grovertown, Indiana At this rate it'll be up and running just about ice-out time! I don't think I could be this patient - I'd have filled it from the pond already. Cecil, I know there's gotta be some duck farmers in the area, would that by-product give it a jump start? A year ago I had some urea, but it was put in the garden last Spring. www.hoosierpondpros.com http://www.pondboss.com/subscribe.asp?c=4 3/4 to 1 1/4 ac pond LMB, SMB, PS, BG, RES, CC, YP, Bardello BG, (RBT & Blue Tilapia - seasonal).

Re: Did I mess up? esshup #196229 12/21/09 07:22 PM Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 7,099 Likes: 23 St Louis, MO area R Rainman Ambassador Field Correspondent Hall of Fame Lunker Rainman Ambassador Field Correspondent Hall of Fame Lunker R Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 7,099 Likes: 23 St Louis, MO area Cecil, the ammonia dropping means nitrites are forming for you nitrosomas. Let nature take her course. You're ready to add some fish!

Re: Did I mess up? Rainman #196238 12/21/09 08:46 PM Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 28,541 Likes: 845 Grovertown, Indiana esshup Moderator Ambassador Field Correspondent Lunker esshup Moderator Ambassador Field Correspondent Lunker Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 28,541 Likes: 845 Grovertown, Indiana Cecil: Just curious, what's your evaporation rate? www.hoosierpondpros.com http://www.pondboss.com/subscribe.asp?c=4 3/4 to 1 1/4 ac pond LMB, SMB, PS, BG, RES, CC, YP, Bardello BG, (RBT & Blue Tilapia - seasonal).

Re: Did I mess up? Rainman #196330 12/22/09 08:57 PM Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 20,043 Likes: 1 Northeastern Indiana Cecil Baird1 OP Hall of Fame Lunker OP Cecil Baird1 Hall of Fame Lunker Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 20,043 Likes: 1 Northeastern Indiana  Originally Posted By: Rainman Cecil, the ammonia dropping means nitrites are forming for you nitrosomas. Let nature take her course. You're ready to add some fish! Not really Rex. Ammonia will drop due to aeration and evaporation. I'm not reading any nitrites so there can't be any nitrosomonas yet. If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.