Pond Boss Forums STOCKING A NEW POND Creating the food chain Alright, alright!!! talk fathead to me.

Hey, isn't Cecil the YP master of disaster in my strata? Can anybody woo him over to post an opinion?

Hey CECIL! Woo Woo come on over here!

Did that help?

My experiences with YP in smaller ponds are that when YP are stocked with LMB the LMB eventually over control the YP in ponds 1 ac or less. That is not always the case when other fish are used as the primary predators. There can be lots of variation of the long term (10+yrs) success of YP & LMB due to individual pond variables. Usually the amount of success of YP with LMB is dependant to on how extensive the weed beds are in the pond, how diverse the forage base is and how the LMB are managed. More weeds and a higher forage base will result in more YP that survive to cleanable size 8"+ for the long term picture. I consider YP thriving when you can catch numerous 10"-14" YP. The size of the pond and diversity or complexity of the ecosystem also probably make a difference in how long the YP are able to maintain their status as a common occurrence in the harvestable panfish fishery. YP may survive better and longer in larger ponds (greater than 2 ac).

Britskii can do an original stocking of YP, BG and minnows (&or Shiners) with LMB. However, I would not add LMB until the YP have spawned for the first time. YP will then do good for a fair amount of time - usually until the original stock and first year class is removed or dies of old age (6-10 yrs). When the LMB have produced several strong year classes of 10"+ individuals, then the population of YP is often marginal. This is when the initial stocking of BG orRES is helpful because they will then be the backbone of the forage fish community to support the LMB.

How about YP with SMB and perhaps RES, Mr. Cody?

Theo, I have not sampled or managed a pond with a combinaion of RES, YP and SMB. I see no reason why it would not work. The only reason that I would be hesitant with that combination is RES are sort of difficult to easily catch. RES also do not bite very well in cold temps, where as BG and especially YP are fairly easy to catch in cool and cold water.

Aren't there temperature issues with YP? I thought that they were sensitive to warmer waters. ie; midwestern ponds.

Not to much. YP upper temps. 30 degrees Celsius = 86 degrees Fahrenheit +-.

Jeeze, guys, dont encourage the Guvna with laughter. It's not THAT funny. :rolleyes: GGpaw = instant senility. :p

All seriousness aside. Brettski, where did all tha red dirt come from?

Burger, I didn't notice all the red dirt until you said something. I always knew that Pondboss was growing and we were reaching further and further around the globe, but this is the first evidance that we have pond boss members on Mars!!

I think we should send this to NASA to show that there is indeed water on Mars and that us pond boss folks are doing our best to help establish ( or re-establish ) life back on Mars. :p

guessing combination of camera setting, light, moisture content in clay.....i noticed it too, nice blue clay for months, now its red?

Creepies, Burger...I need to adjust the PC monitor at home. The original was very dark and overcast, so I (thought I) fixed it up a little. Now that I look at it at work, yikers. Eric is right; the commute is killin' me. I went back to that post and replaced it with one I just took yesterday.
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To prove that Burger and Eric aren't always lookin' at the world thru rose-colored glasses, here's the subject photo of the pond project on the red planet.

I didnt think it was Mars...it looks just like a pond in the red clay hills of my ole stompin' grounds in east central Miss.(or west central Ala.).

It looks like ground beef to me. Are you tellin' me that there is soil that actually carries that hue of red?

Yep sure is, BM is correct. Also it looks like you threw a bunch of it up in some of the trees. Fall Color ?

:D

Yep, shows up really well in your hair saturated with butch wax after a lunch break of football.

perhaps more common than the gray blue stuff of LNP. out here in CA, the laterite soils (which are really old heavily eroded and iron rich soils) can be darn near scarlet red.

edited post....but the fatheads wont care

What about Wildroot Cream Oil?

I think I may have gotten moderated. Again, "Theo, are you sure you're only 47??" :p

Yep, still shy of a half-century. But my Dad has been a prolific consumer of Wildroot for most of my life (when the last local drug store stopped carrying it, he bought 2 cases ) and way in the back of his medicine cabinet, there's a jar of gen-u-wine butch wax.

He may be only 47, but it's been 47 years of hard country living. He only gets to the city every now and again.

Right, Sunil. When a car drives past, we all run outside to watch. :p

I know what you mean. And the milk truck day is somethin' special too!

...and just exactly what does all this have to do with fatheads?

Back in the mid 60's, there was a scandal.

Fathead minnows were being delivered to farm houses in milk bottles by a rogue Kentucky milk delivery company called Jaegerwald Milk & Spice. Many did not know it, but there was a regional fish prohibition going on across Kentucky, and JM&S had deep political ties. Shortly thereafter, the rival political party gave a sanction to company, OMJE, to pose as JM&S employees, and then to drive around in JM&S trucks making deliveries. But instead of delivering fathead minnows, they were to deliver brown bullheads. Of course, OMJE was the DBA for 'Ole Mudcat Joe Enterprises.