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Hey, aren't you at least an honorary member?
Only if you say so, the one lonely male GSF we had in our pond many years ago was removed by my brother. As of last summer only one of his hybrid offspring is still known to exist in our pond, according to my brother-in-law he was 11-1/4" long last July.

Now if I remember right, jeffhasapond also has a substantial amount of aquatic vegetation in his pond which will have an influence on the efficacy of predation relationships. ;\)



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Heck, I don't even have a pond yet!

I'll find out soon if I'm "managing" my neighbor's pond. I told him what I would do, and my price for doing it (zero, and worth every penny).

If he goes for it my first order of business will be to construct a "corral" in his big pond. Then, I will (have no choice but to) start fishing that pond for GSF. I'll start pellet training my new herd until their new home is ready.

I'm also going to get some FH in the small pond as soon as I get a handle on the watermeal. I don't have much patience so I'll probably start straining the weeds out manually until the chemicals start to work.

I welcome any feedback from you experienced pond bossers.



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Originally quoted by GW:

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........and will allow usage of this conditionally upon my acceptance as the seventh member of the club.

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Ouch!

I'm not sure a wannabe pondmeister can fall any lower than to be REJECTED for membership in the Green Sunfish Club.

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OK, you show the proper outlook; broadmindedness. I agree. Any other opinions?


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After thinking about it more, I hope that GSF wouldn't spawn more than once a year, even if they are the apex predator. Granted it would mean less small fish to trap and move to the LMB pond, but it also means less work controlling their numbers. In a little pond the population control could probably be accomplished with rod and reel.



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GSF will spawn more than once in one year in the right conditions.

these (5/07 pics) are the product of two spawns last year:

first spawn (~july-august 06)


second spawn (~oct-nov 06):


it helps to live in a place where 90 degree days are possible into november.


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Dave, can you offer some evidence that the fish spawned twice? Couldn't that variation in size come from the same spawn?

Whether or not they do spawn more than once a year is a wash in my opinion. One spawn = less work to maintain a limited population. Multiple spawns = more forage for your larger fish.



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OK, you show the proper outlook; broadmindedness. I agree. Any other opinions?
I don't know after that rather disparaging name suggestion.

Maybe if Yolk wore a pink T-Shirt every day during the next Pond Boss Convention that had the following on the front and back...I'm A Reckless Enthusiasts of Cyanellus Trying to Utilize Murderous Sunfish" (using of course the acronym only). And if he was put on Top Secret Double Probation I would consider his membership.

But anymore blasphemous remarks like that from Yoke and I'll have to check the treasury to see if we have enough funds to hire someone to "adjust his attitude."

In a recent pole at a Law Enforcement convention the most feared organizations were ranked as follows:

1. Mafia

2. Yakuza

3. Triad

4. Pond Boss Green Sunfish Club

Ya just shouldn't mess with the Green Sunfish Club, ya just shouldn't.


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Originally posted by Shorty:
Now if I remember right, jeffhasapond also has a substantial amount of aquatic vegetation in his pond which will have an influence on the efficacy of predation relationships. ;\)
:D \:D \:D That's a very polite way of saying my pond is overrun with Elodea.


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Thanks Shorty.

Hey, aren't you at least an honorary member?
That's not a bad idea, even though Shorty removed GSF from his own pond (a DIRECT violation of Article 2, Subsection 7, Paragraph B of the GSF Club's Membership Rules and Regulations) he does speak of GSF with dignity and respect. It is my belief that Shorty should receive the very first Honorary Member designation with all of the rights and privileges that do convey with such a prestigious title.


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I second that motion.



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Originally posted by Dave Davidson1:

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OK, you show the proper outlook; broadmindedness. I agree. Any other opinions?
That's very generous of you. For the last several years, I've usually been accused of "broadhindedness" instead.


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Maybe if Yolk wore a pink T-Shirt every day during the next Pond Boss Convention that had the following on the front and back...I'm A Reckless Enthusiasts of Cyanellus Trying to Utilize Murderous Sunfish" (using of course the acronym only). And if he was put on Top Secret Double Probation I would consider his membership.

But anymore blasphemous remarks like that from Yoke and I'll have to check the treasury to see if we have enough funds to hire someone to "adjust his attitude."
Jeff, I appreciate your forebearance, and have a project underway which may improve my chances of acceptance in this august organization in the future-more on this if it comes to fruition.

By the way, I think you left off your list of most feared organizations my personal favorite, the S.P.S.D.P*, which rumor has it has a strike team in Denton, Neb., just biding their time.


*Society for the Prevention of Sexual Deviancy in Panfish.

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Shorty tends to reject club memberships.

While I've told him he's a member of B.I.S.A., he still refuse to acknowledge the same.

Perhaps is the $1,450,000.00 initiation fee.

Who knows?


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"She took another microscopic bite of her sandwich, then pushed it away. Maybe she absorbed nutrients from her surroundings."

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jeff.... \:D \:D \:D ....yer funny.

yolk, at my place, i have the red carpet out for panfish deviancy.....if bruce's fish only knew where the party really was.......

g-dub, i'll give you that it could have been different parental fish spawning at different times, but my belief is that it is not a difference in growth rates due to the consistent and large number of fish in each size class.....there's no tweeners.


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Keep in mind that it only takes three or four rogue males in a late nesting mood to pull off a "late spawn". If you were to get out your filet knife in mid to late summer and clean several females you'll find ovaries in varying stages of development. I believe that the mere presence of nest guarding males will stimulate a certain number of female bluegill, or probably greenies to prepare to lay eggs. In bluegill and green sunfish I've found it (multiple nestings) to be the rule, rather than the exception. In nature there's a tremendous benefit to multiple spawns, as this gives a population insurance from irregular weather patterns, or the periodic presence of high densitiy predator populations.


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I got the OK from Mr. H, my neighbor, to work on rehabilitating his small pond. I plan on ordering Sonar AS for the watermeal, and a bottom diffuser.

Your post is encouraging Bruce, because I would love to get some adult GSF into the pond and see them spawn this year. Is that reasonable for newly introduced fish?

What would be a good goal as far as numbers of GSF to collect for this 1/5 acre pond? It's currently at half of normal pool. I may order 500 Gams to stock and wait for 2 or 3 weeks before adding the GSF. During this time I would begin pellet training the Greenies in a netted area of Mr. H's 7 acre pond. Are the Gams worth it ($100) with that short time frame? Once the GSF are in the pond they will be pellet fed daily. I'm thinking that maybe I should forget about waiting for the Gams to multiply so that I have a better chance of a GSF spawn this year.

Any thoughts?



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g-dub, on the gams, thats a bit pricey, but you dont need many if the pond has shallow weedy areas for them to hide. you might have seen me post before, i stocked NINE mosquito fish in April 06, and by the end of the summer i had in the tens of thousands. as long as the Gams have shelter, you can put the GSF in at the same time.

GSF are amazing. if you stock adult GSF, they will easily spawn the first year provided you stock well before Fall. I stocked ~29 adults (lunkers \:D ) and every corner of my ~ 1 acre pond now has GSF.

GSF are the best i've ever seen at surviving in the worst conditions. i have a small pool (10 x 30) in the seasonal creek below my house to which GSF fry and YOY migrate upstream in the winter (to escape LMB predation in the ranch pond). By early summer the (formerly) YOY have matured enough to spawn.

My first pond brood of summer 2006 (pictured on previous page) are now spawning. in the absence of heavy (LMB) predation, the GSF population numbers are staggering in my pond. the shallows where not choked with weeds are choked with minute fry that are now likely a combination of BG and GSF (and hopefully RES).

regarding the pellet feeding......my GSF learned immediately only because the BG were taking feed. the GSF in the pool below my house will not readily take feed. you might find, in the absence of BG, you'll have to work at it to get them to take feed.


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Jeff, I appreciate your forebearance, and have a project underway which may improve my chances of acceptance in this august organization in the future-more on this if it comes to fruition.
Ok, I'll call of the attitude adjustment team. But just remember we will be watching, we are always watching. Speaking of which - stop eating those Cheetos, you'll spoil your dinner.


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By the way, I think you left off your list of most feared organizations my personal favorite, the S.P.S.D.P*, which rumor has it has a strike team in Denton, Neb., just biding their time.

*Society for the Prevention of Sexual Deviancy in Panfish.
They are on a "watch dog" list. As DIED mentioned we not only approve of sexual deviancy in our Sunfish we encourage it. I did however enjoy their recent 60 Minutes segment "Pornography and Panfish - Are your Fry Safe?"


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you might have seen me post before, i stocked NINE mosquito fish in April 06, and by the end of the summer i had in the tens of thousands. as long as the Gams have shelter, you can put the GSF in at the same time.
I can attest to that. When Dave and I netted Gams from his pond he had HUGE schools of them - all from a mere nine.

We netted about 50-75 and put them in my pond last year. In April I spotted several schools of what I believe to be Gam fry and each school numbered in the thousands. The are prolific little beasties.


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Originally posted by dave in el dorado ca:
yolk, at my place, i have the red carpet out for panfish deviancy.....if bruce's fish only knew where the party really was.......
Just remember Dave, what happens in El Dorado stays in El Dorado.


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What would be a good goal as far as numbers of GSF to collect for this 1/5 acre pond? It's currently at half of normal pool. I may order 500 Gams to stock and wait for 2 or 3 weeks before adding the GSF. During this time I would begin pellet training the Greenies in a netted area of Mr. H's 7 acre pond. Are the Gams worth it ($100) with that short time frame? Once the GSF are in the pond they will be pellet fed daily. I'm thinking that maybe I should forget about waiting for the Gams to multiply so that I have a better chance of a GSF spawn this year.

Any thoughts?
This is going to be an interesting experiment GW!

Is the pond 1/5 acre at half full or are you saying that it's 1/5 at full pool and so therefore it is currently at 1/10 acre?

Bruce has a ton of experience in raising large sunfish - I would think all of the same rules and recommendations apply whether your are raising BG or GSF.


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The pond is 1/5 acre at full pool. I'm going to start a new thread about the rehabbing of this pond that will focus on all aspects and not just Greenies.

For now I'm off to see if I can collect some gams in one of Mr. H's other three ponds.

(Today I'm helping him plant peanuts. My girlfriend thinks "farmer tan" is too sexy....) \:D



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".....recent 60 Minutes segment "Pornography and Panfish - Are your Fry Safe?"


"Just remember Dave, what happens in El Dorado stays in El Dorado."


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I'm going to be looking into the idea of mixing RES with the GSF. I'm curious about whether they would be very likely to cross breed, and if so what the offspring would be like. I can't imagine what the downside of such a cross would be.

RES strike me as a great fish even though I've never fished for them. Any thoughts about how RES might influence a pond managed for trophy GSF?



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I'm going to be looking into the idea of mixing RES with the GSF. I'm curious about whether they would be very likely to cross breed, and if so what the offspring would be like. I can't imagine what the downside of such a cross would be.

RES strike me as a great fish even though I've never fished for them. Any thoughts about how RES might influence a pond managed for trophy GSF?
GW, I'm just assuming that you never read the RES thread.

Here it is for reference. I highly suggest that you read it in it's entirety - beginning to end.

RES Thread

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I hate to tell you greenie lovers,...but ya'll are one rogue redear away from Armageddon.
Talk about mixing the WORST of both worlds. \:D


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