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Getting closer and closer...Hopefully soon I'll find a source.

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TJ, you create a diversion and I'll snatch the fish! Flash powder seems like a good idea now!



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TJ, if Todd is willing to experiment with chubsuckers, maybe you can beg him into experimenting with triploid crappies. I honestly think there would be a market even if the fish cost $3 or $4 a piece because of the labor intensive methods used to create them. Most pond owners will only need to stock between 50-100 crappie per year at most to create a quality fishery. At $4 per fish, that's $200 to $400. I know I would pay that to have a healthy AND manageable crappie fishery in my pond! Then again, that's just me...

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Totally agree, Travis. I simply want a chance to grow 15-18" fish and bring friends and tell them to throw a tube jig and hold on. I could stock regular Crappie - but would have to select Female only, and I can only sex them on beds. [that sounded pretty interesting!]

I'd also like to stock fish in my main pond...but they'd have to be single sex or triploids - or both, to be completely safe.

Does Todd ever chime in on the forum these days?


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 Originally Posted By: Rainman
TJ, you create a diversion and I'll snatch the fish! Flash powder seems like a good idea now!

Speaking of flash powder....did condello post his video yet?


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 Originally Posted By: teehjaeh57
Totally agree, Travis. I simply want a chance to grow 15-18" fish and bring friends and tell them to throw a tube jig and hold on. I could stock regular Crappie - but would have to select Female only, and I can only sex them on beds. [that sounded pretty interesting!]

I'd also like to stock fish in my main pond...but they'd have to be single sex or triploids - or both, to be completely safe.

Does Todd ever chime in on the forum these days?


He just sent me my bill for my LCS a couple days ago, so I know he is around... If he doesn't chime in, maybe we can PM him and see if he thinks it's feasible. The ability to stock crappie into your main fishing pond knowing their competition with other fish will be minimal and their management very easy is what I think many are looking for. About the only way I see of having crappie in a main pond is to keep the bass numbers very high. I know of only few small ponds where the crappie fishing is respectable and all of them have overpopulated stunted bass. Even with that the crappies run 10"-12" with a 15" fish being large.

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Thanks for the nudge-nudge. If anyone is going to make triploids for us it will be Bobby Glennon at Malone's Fish Farm in Arkansas. They already have the high pressure chambers for making triploidy and they have the ploidy testing equipment as well. These are very high $ pieces of equipment.

I see the need for triploids, but don't see the investment paying off for myself in reasonable time.


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"...but don't see the investment paying off for myself in reasonable time."

That's simply because you are paying Clint the big bucks.


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Well Todd, as long as someone out there breeds them. Just keep us updated on the progress Malone's is having in getting some triploid crappies to be a reality...

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What if the forum came up with a 10,000 fish order?


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LOL!!

At $4 ea, confirm the order by paying 1/2 down, and we'll get started in 2010.

I'll be checking my mailbox for that check........ \:\)

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Guess I'd better learn how to determine crappie sex...


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With shipping I almost paid $4 per lake chubsucker! I just didn't order 500 of them... HAHA I have wanted to get my hands on LCS for a long long time though.

Come on TJ, you can muscle up $2000 for your dream hybrid crappie pond. ;\)

By the way Todd, check is in the mail... Also, have you got any idea on the sexing technology spoken about? Being able to sex immature crappie. It may be a cheaper alternative to the triploid route. I believe triploids may have a shorter life span and not grow as big as well?

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 Originally Posted By: CJBS2003
With shipping I almost paid $4 per lake chubsucker! I just didn't order 500 of them... HAHA I have wanted to get my hands on LCS for a long long time though.

Come on TJ, you can muscle up $2000 for your dream hybrid crappie pond. ;\)

By the way Todd, check is in the mail... Also, have you got any idea on the sexing technology spoken about? Being able to sex immature crappie. It may be a cheaper alternative to the triploid route. I believe triploids may have a shorter life span and not grow as big as well?


AND....Which sex grows larger for Crappie?


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Found this:

How can one distinguish between male and female black crappies?
Typically male black crappies have darker and more iridescent heads and breasts than the females have.


Hardly scientific...[sigh]


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TJ, crappie usually spawn a little deeper than you can see at least IME. So I am not sure you can be 100% sure you are only gonna get males... Not like you can actually see the male sitting on the nest. And I think males don't get as big as females, so you really would wanna get all females. All it would take is one mistake and you got a mess!

I think our best bet yet is to either get triploid crappie, or see if they can come out with a test to sex fingerling crappies. If you could sex out say crappies at 3". In that scenario you could stock them much like CC. Say 50 per acre per year. You may have to grow them out to say 6" so they avoid being bass food though, sorta like what you have to do with CC. Or you could use them as a top of the line predator like you are thinking of doing with your one pond. Something like a crappie only pond. Just golden shiners and other forage fish like FHM or BNM. Boy you could grow some monster crappies that way! Complete control of reproduction as they are all females... I really think that may be the best way to accomplish your goal.

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 Originally Posted By: CJBS2003
TJ, crappie usually spawn a little deeper than you can see at least IME. So I am not sure you can be 100% sure you are only gonna get males... Not like you can actually see the male sitting on the nest. And I think males don't get as big as females, so you really would wanna get all females. All it would take is one mistake and you got a mess!

I think our best bet yet is to either get triploid crappie, or see if they can come out with a test to sex fingerling crappies. If you could sex out say crappies at 3". In that scenario you could stock them much like CC. Say 50 per acre per year. You may have to grow them out to say 6" so they avoid being bass food though, sorta like what you have to do with CC. Or you could use them as a top of the line predator like you are thinking of doing with your one pond. Something like a crappie only pond. Just golden shiners and other forage fish like FHM or BNM. Boy you could grow some monster crappies that way! Complete control of reproduction as they are all females... I really think that may be the best way to accomplish your goal.


Why not feed train them while you're at it and eliminate worries about getting a good forage base going or that they could potentially crop off? I know of a couple of hatcheries that were able to do this fairly easily with crappies.

Only downside I see to female only crappies could be egg bound females. Don't know if that would be a problem or not. On the other hand triploid sterile females are produced very commonly now with trout. If that was the case with the crappies, being egg bound would not be an issue, and additionally they would put energy into growing vs. gonadal development.


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 Originally Posted By: overtonfisheries
LOL!!

At $4 ea, confirm the order by paying 1/2 down, and we'll get started in 2010.

I'll be checking my mailbox for that check........ \:\)


I don't think you'd have a problem selling them even at $4.00 a piece if they were feed trained Todd. Sure there would be people that would think that is too expensive but for a serious pond owner it wouldn't be out of the question. Many of us spend more money on feed and herbicides.

I could even afford 100 with 50 percent down.


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 Originally Posted By: Cecil Baird1
 Originally Posted By: CJBS2003
TJ, crappie usually spawn a little deeper than you can see at least IME. So I am not sure you can be 100% sure you are only gonna get males... Not like you can actually see the male sitting on the nest. And I think males don't get as big as females, so you really would wanna get all females. All it would take is one mistake and you got a mess!

I think our best bet yet is to either get triploid crappie, or see if they can come out with a test to sex fingerling crappies. If you could sex out say crappies at 3". In that scenario you could stock them much like CC. Say 50 per acre per year. You may have to grow them out to say 6" so they avoid being bass food though, sorta like what you have to do with CC. Or you could use them as a top of the line predator like you are thinking of doing with your one pond. Something like a crappie only pond. Just golden shiners and other forage fish like FHM or BNM. Boy you could grow some monster crappies that way! Complete control of reproduction as they are all females... I really think that may be the best way to accomplish your goal.


Why not feed train them while you're at it and eliminate worries about getting a good forage base going or that they could potentially crop off? I know of a couple of hatcheries that were able to do this fairly easily with crappies.

Only downside I see to female only crappies could be egg bound females. Don't know if that would be a problem or not. On the other hand triploid sterile females are produced very commonly now with trout. If that was the case with the crappies, being egg bound would not be an issue, and additionally they would put energy into growing vs. gonadal development.


Cecil - pellet trained Crappie? Seriously? That's news to me, but everything is news to me...can you talk more about this or PM me or something? You and Travis have me back into my frenzied state on my Crappie pond.


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 Originally Posted By: teehjaeh57
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 Originally Posted By: CJBS2003
TJ, crappie usually spawn a little deeper than you can see at least IME. So I am not sure you can be 100% sure you are only gonna get males... Not like you can actually see the male sitting on the nest. And I think males don't get as big as females, so you really would wanna get all females. All it would take is one mistake and you got a mess!

I think our best bet yet is to either get triploid crappie, or see if they can come out with a test to sex fingerling crappies. If you could sex out say crappies at 3". In that scenario you could stock them much like CC. Say 50 per acre per year. You may have to grow them out to say 6" so they avoid being bass food though, sorta like what you have to do with CC. Or you could use them as a top of the line predator like you are thinking of doing with your one pond. Something like a crappie only pond. Just golden shiners and other forage fish like FHM or BNM. Boy you could grow some monster crappies that way! Complete control of reproduction as they are all females... I really think that may be the best way to accomplish your goal.


Why not feed train them while you're at it and eliminate worries about getting a good forage base going or that they could potentially crop off? I know of a couple of hatcheries that were able to do this fairly easily with crappies.

Only downside I see to female only crappies could be egg bound females. Don't know if that would be a problem or not. On the other hand triploid sterile females are produced very commonly now with trout. If that was the case with the crappies, being egg bound would not be an issue, and additionally they would put energy into growing vs. gonadal development.


Cecil - pellet trained Crappie? Seriously? That's news to me, but everything is news to me...can you talk more about this or PM me or something? You and Travis have me back into my frenzied state on my Crappie pond.


I know of two instances of where someone feed trained black crappies and indicated it was not difficult. One is a researcher at the University of Wisconsin, and the other is a trout farm in Wisconsin I used to get my brown trout from. The folks at the trout farm told me they seined fingerling crappies out of a pond and put them in tanks just like the trout fingerlings. She (Ruby Ketula) told me it was not hard at all to get them on feed. I'm not sure they do this on a regular basis, but know that they did at least that one time. The trout farm is the Seven Pines trout farm and their website is here:

http://www.sevenpinesfishery.com/The_Creel.html

I can't remember the name of the researcher at the University of Wisconsin Stevens Point but I'll bet it wouldn't be hard to find out if you contacted them.

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Thanks Cecil, this is encouraging news...I was planning on having to feed with tons of FHM for my potential crappie pond...now maybe not.


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I have feed trained crappies in my aquarium before. The only game fish I haven't been able to feed train are Esox species.

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I have feed trained crappies in my aquarium before. The only game fish I haven't been able to feed train are Esox species.


Same here on both points.


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Rex has access to hybrid crappie. The only research we've sourced states they will reproduce, but the F2's do not grow fast and are "inferior" and highly susceptible to predation from BG, YP - and in my case, SMB and HSB. I'm pretty leary of introducing mixed sex crappie into my watersheds regardless of whether they're hybrids or not...can anyone confirm or dismiss my fears of overpopulation in regards to hybrid crappie?

http://www.jmmaloneandson.com/hybridcrappie.html

HYBRID CRAPPIE. Hybrid crappie are the first generation cross between a black crappie and a white crappie. The resulting hybrid displays limited reproduction and increased growth.

Early research indicates that hybrid crappie populations are 50% male and 50% female and are capable of producing large numbers of offspring. However, the offspring of hybrid crappie are inferior in terms of growth and are readily controlled (eaten) by bass and bluegill. Therefore, when stocking hybrid crappie in ponds with bass and bluegill very few baby crappie will survive, preventing overpopulation. In a ten year study conducted in Illinois, ponds stocked with hybrid crappie, bass and bluegill, the hybrid crappie were unable to maintain their population (take over the pond).



The same research indicates and F1 Hybrid Crappie grow faster and weigh more than both black crappie and white crappie.

The Hybrid Crappie is new to pond stocking and there is still a great deal to learn about them. Stock 300 Hybrid Crappie per acre and be sure to stock bass and bluegill with them to control reproduction. Due to their limited reproduction Hybrid Crappie will need to be restocked periodically.

The Hybrid Crappie produced by J.M. Malone and Son, Inc. is the original cross between an Arkansas Black Nosed Black Crappie* male and a white crappie female resulting in a hybrid crappie with a black stripe running down its nose. This black stripe is not an indication that a crappie is a hybrid crappie. Therefore, be advised when purchasing hybrid crappie, just because it has a black stripe on its nose does not make it a hybrid crappie.





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