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No doubt Gallop...

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Might be able to work out some deal on a larger volume order.

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I think I just came up with a use for 1 of my 20x30 ponds

Let the experiment begin!

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Good idea of growing some LCS as stockers in a small pond. Keep us advised as to how the project progresses. Others can learn a lot from your experiences with these fish in a small forage pond. Keep in mind that they need to be 2-3 yrs old before they spawn; probably 2yrs farther south and 3 in the north.

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Mine spawned at year 2 in VA.

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I see Zimmerman's Fish has successfully bred some and he is offering them for sale. http://www.zimmermansfish.com/Price.html In a new pond or one lacking predators, it would only take a couple dozen to get a population established.

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Chris Steelman, how did your LCS do?

Any others watching this thread have any updates?

Did Todd Overton's growing pond for LCS have any success and is it an ongoing endeavor?

I did just order some from Zimmerman's Fish

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My LCS were stocked in 2009 and spawned for the first time in 2012 from what I can tell. I now have 4 year classes of LCS in my pond. Anywhere from yearling 3" ones up to 12"+ original stockers. I am very happy with them and think they make excellent forage under certain goals and ponds.

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I never saw my LCS after stocking them but my pond is muddy so not really the ideal habitat for them.

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LCS prefer clear weedy waters, so a pond that has little no no vegetation and is regularly muddy will likely not support them.
Cody Note: Since LCS prefer clearer water their feeding behavior would not be beneficial to their thriving and survival by creating turbid water from their rooting heavily in the sediments. Thus it is logical that LCS do not crate turbid water conditions.

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When I was young we used to seine the creek for catfish lines we would catch two different looking suckers one looked camouflage and the other silver is that the same fish yall are talking about? Is that a good fish if so can I seine them up and put them in my pond?

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Unlikely the same fish. Hard to be sure with your basic description though...

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CJBS, some of your pictures from the first page of this thread seem down or maybe my work filtered connection is blocking pictures that are hosted on facebook or some other hosting page. I'd love to get those pictures into photobucket or some other hosting program?

How are your LCS? You said it took 3 years to spawn?

Chris Steelman, how did your LCS do? Seeing any juveniles with the give away black stripes on them?

Any others watching this thread have any updates?

Did Todd Overton's growing pond for LCS have any success and is it an ongoing endeavor?

I was very glad to find an adult LCS of spawning size in my trap this spring and caught one again last week that looked healthy. It has been 2 years but I think I can identify LCS young in the shallows, so far can't get them to enter traps.

It appears that my Grand Rapids, MI pond allowed for successful growth and spawn and survival of young. I would say the northern limit of LCS is still north of where I live yet!

The like clearer water and after soilfloc and removal of about 70% of my adult goldfish my water is clearer. I have zero vegetation except a bit of FA in the first 1 foot of water and some sedges growing in 1 foot of water. Somehow they found a place to put their eggs and they survived the other fish in there (RES, LES, GSH, goldfish, perch and crayfish).

If overton isn't selling then brian zimmerman may be the only source that is shipping right now? He sold me 25 and If I'm IDing the minnows correctly that I didn't need to stock any more than that to get a population going in my .25 acre puddle.

If I can figure out how to readily trap them I'd be willing to try to help others get them established.

They seem to take a few years to grow to reproducing size but once established would be a great forage fish option for SMB or LMB.

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Don't like to rain on anyone's parade, but I seem to recall seeing research that said LCS did not actually increase LMB growth.

The research was done years ago, not sure if it has been updated or revised more recently.

As for grass shrimp, I'd love to buy some.

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How about LCS for SMB?

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I think LCS would be great for SMB, also any additional forage species in a pond seems like it would be beneficial. The more selection your predators have the better.....That's just take on it .

I got a few and I am trying to raise them up to breeding age and size before I stock into my pond as I already have predators.


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Haven't seen mine since I stocked them. My water was muddy and didn't have any vegetation. Doubt they survived very long.

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Found a couple dozen LCS below the outflow pipe of the SMB pond that must be from a spawn since I only stocked a dozen originally. They were all between 5-7 inches long. Have relocated 17-20 to a new 1/2 acre pond which only has FHM in it. The pond is new and does not have any plant life yet, so I hope they find food. My hope is to let these multiply for a while. The SMB pond must be full of them. It has curley-leaf pondweed that might be helping them out.

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Just a note: The 1-acre SMB/YP/GSH/RES/LCS pond has a watershed that is almost completely from a neighboring soy/maize rotated agricultural field. I credit the high water quality in the pond to the presence of a very small sediment pond and the use of GM crops to facilitate conservation tillage and use of environmentally friendly herbicides, plus the replacement of soil-applied and sprayed insecticides with in-crop Bt production. I have yet to see a dead fish in the pond. Hopefully, this will continue. Interestingly, my neighbor has also seen in big increase in his fur trapping which I account for by all the crop residue now available to herbivores all winter (rather than fall plowing as was common previously).

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Harvest some curley-leaf pondweed and put it in the small pond.
















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Can't bring myself to add curly-leaf pondweed to a body of water. I will be adding water lilies and a lotus along with marginals this spring. I will also try adding eel grass if the stuff I have survived in the small artesian pond. However, the pondweed may invade on its own.

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I would not add curly leaf to any pond. It is an exotic and considered by most to be an invasive plant. The darn stuff spreads way too fast and is too invasive to where it will grow into 13ft-15ft of water. As the stuff spreads it tends to make the water clearer and thus it ends up growing deeper. It does not need much light to grow on the bottom and in cloudy water of 7ft I've had it grow across the entire bottom to top. In spring when it is growing well it can fill with water column with vegetation from bottom to top where it is growing. It does tend to die back in mid summer after it flowers, develops turions (winter buds) & seed heads. Turions sprout in fall and maintain growth a foot or two tall as it overwinters. If you want viable, green winter vegetation 1-2ft tall on the bottom this plant is for you. I've lived with it and hate it.

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I have not added this, but rather it invaded. I have not yet had an issue in the SMB pond but will add grass carp if I do. It has not yet invaded the LMB pond, but chokes the shallow duck ponds at certain times. For me, this is like shrub honeysuckle that invades woodlands. While it has some advantages for whitetail, I am working hard to push it back.

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Reviving this old thread for several reasons:

1. Many still would like to have LCS in their pond and we all need to work together to try to source them again.
2. Can Mr. Chris Steelman or others who did get some LCS from Overton's update us on how things went? Any reproduction?
3. Why did Overton's stop selling? Not enough demand?

Anyone have more information?

Reading through this thread again was very interesting!

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I am not a businessman, but I did just move some LCS to a new 1/2 acre pond from a thriving population in yp/smb pond. and would be glad to share. I just don't want to get in trouble by breaking any laws. This forum has been a truly educational experience, and giving back to this community would be a pleasure.

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