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How big is the crappie in the lower pic? Looks like a nice one...
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Looks like a 19lb blue......
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I'd guess that it was just under a pound.
It could be a blue cat. Large cats are hard for me to judge, but I made that call based on the shape of its head, and large belly. The big blues that we've caught had a muscular head and more slender shape.
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Pretty crappie! Look at the straight edge on the anal fin... Perfect example of a blue cat. CC's have a very curved edge to theirs. Pretty cat none the less though!
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Just for you George. And you too Nate. And really anyone else who likes big fish.  Is that a huddleston shad? Have much luck with that?
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WOW! Those are some serious Brutes! You could film a pretty sweet fishing show!
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We're planning on stocking every third year. That's what Dr. Slipke at SE Pond reccomended. Our morts are really low, and we don't plan to harvest any. Cheyenne, I don’t understand the logic of a three year stocking program. As you likely know, there is a finite lifespan for HSB in southern waters even if it has not been firmly established as yet. Obviously you have outstanding water quality to produce the quality HSB you regularly catch. IMO you will “hit a wall” with their recommended stocking schedule, resulting in a three year gap in size. I am a firm believer of an annual stocking ladder to maintain max size fish on a continuing basis. Do they recommend fingerling HSB stocking or do you have larger size HSB available to avoid predation?
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Just for you George. And you too Nate. And really anyone else who likes big fish. Is that a huddleston shad? Have much luck with that? It's a mattlures shad. I've caught all of my big HSB on it.
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We're planning on stocking every third year. That's what Dr. Slipke at SE Pond reccomended. Our morts are really low, and we don't plan to harvest any. Cheyenne, I don’t understand the logic of a three year stocking program. As you likely know, there is a finite lifespan for HSB in southern waters even if it has not been firmly established as yet. Obviously you have outstanding water quality to produce the quality HSB you regularly catch. IMO you will “hit a wall” with their recommended stocking schedule, resulting in a three year gap in size. I am a firm believer of an annual stocking ladder to maintain max size fish on a continuing basis. Do they recommend fingerling HSB stocking or do you have larger size HSB available to avoid predation? We have access to HSB stocking as large as 12". With the number of predators that are in our pond I believe that the logic in a three year stocking plan is to avoid overstocking. It is quite possible that I misunderstood Dr. Slipke. I'll check with him before I talk to the fish farm. The main goal is a LMB fishery. HSB are just the icing on the cake. We only stocked 25 HSB per acre to start with. That combined with Crappie, BC, CC, and LMB makes for a lot of predators. This wasn't all by design. This was an existing pond with a large number of fish already in it.
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Cheyenne, you are right on .... with your goal of trophy LMB verifies "it all depends".
IMO the key to HSB stocking plan/numbers depends on goals and unknown lifespan of HSB in southern waters.
Dr. Slipke's opinion will be appreciated.
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George,
I spoke with Dr. Slipke. He told me that it's really our choice between 100HSB per year, 200 every other year, or 300 every third. Based on our original stocking of 750. He said that those numbers should represent a fair recruitment. He also said that I could adjust the stocking according to how many HSB I wanted overall.
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Thanks Cason, apppreciate the info - so "it all depends" after all.  Easy choice for me - 100 HSB per year, and I betcha it will be your choice when your LMB get hook-shy and I get you hooked on fly fishin'!  Forgot to ask about a feeding program? How 'bout tilapia for incresed LMB forage? You have a great resource and appreciate your sharing. You and Nate are the greatest....!!!!
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George,
No need to thank me. You're my go to guy for everything HSB, including Stiper on the halfshell.
We put in 300lb of tilapia last year in early June.
We put in 200lb last friday. We went with fewer tilapia this year because we were able to get them earlier, and in the end felt like we'd get at least one, if not two, more spawns. We also added threadfin last year to supplement our smaller LMB BC and HSB. The GSD are a little big for them. However, I think that our larger HSB are able to feed on them and in turn are doing very well. In the summer we pump well water into our pond at a rate near 1500gpm. We start this in June, and don't stop until late august. The HSB love the cool water. And it creates a nice place to feed aquamax largemouth to them. And they hammer it!
As far as the catfish above, I almost forgot that several years ago (before I got involved) blue x channel hybrid catfish were stocked to this pond. That may be what we're looking at.
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Interesting, I am not sure I have ever seen an adult hybrid catfish... Anyone have a known picture of one or know what the anal fin characteristics are of it in comparison to the adult fish of each species?
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I havent found a source for the hybrid cats. All the info I have incountered was related to fish farming. I am ready to stock a few cats and was considering small amounts of both. The hybrid would be my choice if I could find any.
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I was considering stocking CB Hybrids and found a hatchery down south who had them...I could have sworn they advertise in PB backpages. I do know they grow upward of 30-40 lbs - very fast growing - but was discouraged to stock them because of their: 1. impact on the forage base 2. reportedly hookshy after being caught once or twice I think the hatchery was in MS. I have a thread somewhere in the archives RE CB Hybrids... http://www.pondboss.com/forums/ubbthread...true#Post118395
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George,
No need to thank me. You're my go to guy for everything HSB, including Stiper on the halfshell.
We put in 300lb of tilapia last year in early June.
We put in 200lb last friday. We went with fewer tilapia this year because we were able to get them earlier, and in the end felt like we'd get at least one, if not two, more spawns. We also added threadfin last year to supplement our smaller LMB BC and HSB. The GSD are a little big for them. However, I think that our larger HSB are able to feed on them and in turn are doing very well. In the summer we pump well water into our pond at a rate near 4000gpm. We start this in June, and don't stop until late august. The HSB love the cool water. And it creates a nice place to feed aquamax largemouth to them. And they hammer it!
As far as the catfish above, I almost forgot that several years ago (before I got involved) blue x channel hybrid catfish were stocked to this pond. That may be what we're looking at.
Cason Cason, your operation facinates me, as well as Nates. You both have excellent water quality, intensve management and outstanding results growing superior fish. I want to go back in the archives and revive your origial post about your operation. Maybe we can find it - if not I know Eric can.  We need your story.
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What do you want to know about Hybrid Cats ? Try this. I think that is a hybrid cat . SRAC 0190 Production of Hybrid Catfish - http://srac.tamu.edu/index.cfm?catid=3
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Interesting, I am not sure I have ever seen an adult hybrid catfish... Anyone have a known picture of one or know what the anal fin characteristics are of it in comparison to the adult fish of each species? I've got several pics of large catfish with straight anal fins. One that imo is clearly a BC, the others are not that clear. They're not from 2009 so I can post them, email them, or if everyone likes we can start a new thread. I feel as if I've hijacked this thread.
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Cheyenne, the thread has 25 pages. You think it hasnt been robbed, raped, pillaged, hyjacked? We like pics.
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ok I think both of these are hybrids.   This one was a CC imo. This is the only pic I have, and it isn't a very good example.  No question this is a BC. Notice the difference in the head and body shape? 
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Got to fish this weekend and caught a redear. I catch one of these once every blue moon. Will redear reproduce in a pond or do their numbers need to be replenished every so often? Sorry for the bad pic. I took it from my phone. Next time I'll do a little better. That is a redear isn't it? 
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no i dont think so brett.
looky like a pumpkinseed.
lets see what others say.
my res have not done well in the reproduction area.....too many other lepomis.
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I thought so too DIED, but that red mark on the gill plate made me second guess myself. I'm beginning to wonder if it's some kind of hybrid.
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FWIW, it looks like a PS to me. Color and patterning is not right for a RES.
Either RES (or PS, IIRC) should not have reproducing in Illinois. My RES manage on a straight clay bottom. Their spawning/recruitment numbers will not be anywhere near those of BG, however, in most situations. I would say "always", but Lusk has reported ponds wheree RES thrive & BG don't for some reason.
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