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CJBS2003 #157348 04/07/09 08:05 PM
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 Originally Posted By: CJBS2003
jakeb, in all likelihood the species you got from Wal-Mart was P. paludosus. They are the most common species raised for use as feeders. They are a solely freshwater shrimp but cannot tolerate cold temperatures as they are native to the deep south only.

I found this site... http://www.fishhobbysupply.com/invertebrates.php Scroll to the bottom and they list grass shrimp and the supplier claims they are P. kadiakensis. They are 12 for $10.00. I have not bought from him, but if I cannot find another source I may. Hard to tell if they really are P. kadiakensis. Even harder to tell if like your Wal-Mart shrimp they are handled roughly and will mostly die. If you do buy some, let me know how they turn out...


Jakeb turned me onto a hatchery that will ship these - $400-$500/1000 shrimp. Is willing to split orders and ship to different locations for $59 [I think]. We're getting guys together to go in on some orders. If anyone is interested feel free to contact me - I'm planning on getting a shipment [or two] in the next couple/three weeks.


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Hey guys, did you see these sites for shrimp:

http://www.boxlotfish.com/product_info.php?products_id=1491

and I have added scuds the last 2 years from this guy at habitatnow, the gallon is literally 10s of thousands of scuds.. you can only get in Jan/Feb, but the fish love these guys and in your temperature they'd do fine if you have habitat..

http://www.habitatnow.com/store/shop/product-detail.php?pn_product_id=31

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http://www.boxlotfish.com/product_info.php?products_id=1491

The species from that link are the P. paludosus species. They may actually take hold in your pond Aaron with you have a warmer climate. I suspect the scuds would possibly take hold in northern climates. Bill Cody has said he's tried to get two different species of them to take hold in his pond without luck. I am sure the fish will suck them down like candy when they are initially stocked though...

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CJBS, Yeah the scuds (anything that size) are a snack in my overstocked pond. Last year I did 4 gallons. It was a lot of scuds, but the BG devour them. But I think it's a nice supplement of different nutrition. I can't get any of these 'established' because I've got so many fish stocked in a tiny space (right now.)

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There are different reasons for stocking forage... In your case you know going in that they will be eaten fast. Even with your over stocked pond, I bet the mighty gambusia would take hold!

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Aaron, I think you just like keeping you fish on an all-organic diet! You ever build a few acre size pond and I have no doubt it will become the premier site for a BASS masters tournement and 50 people will top 100lbs of fish! Dude, you have GOT the wet thumb! \:\)



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Sounds like these would be good in the intial stocking of forage fish along with your baitfish.

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 Originally Posted By: AaronM
CJBS, Yeah the scuds (anything that size) are a snack in my overstocked pond. Last year I did 4 gallons. It was a lot of scuds, but the BG devour them. But I think it's a nice supplement of different nutrition. I can't get any of these 'established' because I've got so many fish stocked in a tiny space (right now.)


Aaron...can you tell us more about scuds? I don't think they've been discussed nearly as much as PK, GSH, FHM, GB....any pics?


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CJBS, Yeah the scuds (anything that size) are a snack in my overstocked pond. Last year I did 4 gallons. It was a lot of scuds, but the BG devour them. But I think it's a nice supplement of different nutrition. I can't get any of these 'established' because I've got so many fish stocked in a tiny space (right now.)


Aaron...can you tell us more about scuds? I don't think they've been discussed nearly as much as PK, GSH, FHM, GB....any pics?


Did a search - reading now...interesting stuff.


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TJ, Bill Cody from what I understand has attempted to establish the two common species found in ponds without luck. As I understand, one is smaller than the other and may be easier to establish than the other. They also require hard waters as well. Perhaps Bill can share more of his experience when he reads this post...

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I've never had any reproduction from the scuds dispite there being vegetation in the ponds. I'm not sure what the problem has been. For G.lacustris (the large ones) it is the water temperatures get too warm for them in my Ohio area. They are a cool water species similar to trout water cool and they seem to do well in weeds called coontail.

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We have plenty of coontail in NE - I have a small window of opportunity to try and get forage established. I will try some and report my findings...


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If you have luck TJ, let us know... I know scuds do like cold water, as in trout temperature cold. Scuds are a very large part of smaller lake trout and browns and rainbows in lakes and reservoirs.

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Originally Posted By: CJBS2003
I did a little research, the best way I can find to tell the two species apart other than geographic range is the P. paludosus has a red band on its front claws were as P. kadiakensis appears not to but this isn't always 100%...


Occurrences

Some more information including some ID markings from another discussion forum


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I put a couple dozen feeder shrimp from pet mart in my new little pond. Seeing more and more of them now. I was to lazy to go net them even though I know where to .


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I wish it were that simple for us, but my understanding is that nearly all the pet market sells the P Paludosis, which are not winter hardy enough to live year round this far north. So if we buy them at the pet store, they die out over winter. Have to get from a source that has Palaemometes Kadiakensis or common name Mississippi grass shrimp.

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Yea I think I have the p. paludious our native ones. I looked tonight with s flash light . I'm seeing lots. Pretty good sized too, with eggs. I see lots of crayfish too. Amazing what happens with no predators.


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Grass shrimp = most under rated, under stocked forage out there! Every pond should have them!

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Maybe you can give us an update on how they have done in your pond? I see in the older threads where you were one of the pond owners stocking them several years back. Have they thrived, judt done so so, or what? What type of cover do you have that they prefer to stay in? Etc.

I stocked some in a forage pond last year but will not know if they have done much till next summer.

Edit: I see he already answered me in a similar thread linked here:
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Feel free to pm me happy to help however I can!


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Tj I sent you a pm about pk shrimp you get it? I am interested in trying to get some started.

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Helps if you have crunchy chara, which supplies raw materials for their shells.


7ac 2015 CNBG RES FHM 2016 TP FLMB 2017 NLMB GSH L 2018 TP & 70 HSB PK 2019 TP RBT 2020 TFS TP 25 HSB 250 F1,L,RBT -206 2021 TFS TP GSH L,-312 2022 GSH TP CR TFS RBT -234, 2023 BG TP TFS NLMB, -160




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I don't know what all I have for pond flora. I have a dozen dams that are .5 to 6 acres that all winter killed 2 years ago. Crayfish are in most of the dams that is it. I have shoreline rush grass and then typical moss in the middle of the summer. I probably should know my aquatic species better but I was a range science major and only had to know how to identify the grass's above water.

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Chara feels kinda crunchy and has a distinctive musky, garlicky type of odor when crushed. Sometimes called musk grass or skunk grass due to the smell.

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