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#14484 06/14/06 09:17 AM
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Remember 'Bubba' was an Fx from a 20 yr. old pond. Sure didnt look like a greenie. If he was a 10 yr. old son of a 10 yr. old pair, he was an F2. What are those chances? ;\)


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Burger,

That is a good point...suggestive that maybe the Fx aren't as bad as thought. Perhaps, with excellent predation, they may even be acceptable.

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ML, check you email, I sent you some pictures.


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I noticed one of my HBG guarding a nest yesterday and it spawned my interest in this thread. ML's GG look almost exactly the same as my GSF/BG hybrids. ML's growth is a little ahead of mine but this is probably in part due to climate differences between Ohio and Texas. It would be interesting to stock both GSF/BG hybrids and GGs in equal numbers in the same pond for comparison. It appears that marking one breed would be a good idea in this type of experiment.




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Ryan,

I looked at the e-mail pictures that Bz sent and his fish appear to have different genetics than the GG's in the experiment. I'm certainly no expert, but to my eyes they have different genetics independent of color differences.

Climate differences make for different growth rates, but it was surprising to me to see the winter GG growth rates in my experiment. It was almost as if you could see them grow. Lately, it seems to have slowed down a bit.

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There is a lake I fish that has alot of pumpkinseed,GSF, BG, and RES in it that I think have crossed. I see fish that brightly colored caught out of it every spring until the algae bloom starts going good in early summer and then they get more drab.


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H2O, I watched and electofishing demo by the state DNR at a 1 acre pond that was completely surrounded by cattails and crystal clear. Several skinny bass, one big CC, GSF, BG, Pumpkinseeds, and a few sunfish that looked like a combination of the other species were shocked and netted. The DNR said that the sunfish interbreeding was due to a lack of breeding partners in their own species because of the bass being overpopulated.




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Wow - that's kind of a perpetuating spiral for the bass. Too many bass, so not enough forage. Forage hybridizes, and the amount of resulting hybrid forage is probably even lower. I wonder how long it could take for a situation like that to turn into an all small bass lake with NO other species - it seems that would at least be possible.


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I believe that the crystal clear water is the key. Too good of spawning conditions for the bass. But, in clear water, you would think the panfish could court their own kind. Stress is one reason given for hybridization. Right, wrong, crazy? Dont answer #3.


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That can be a factor but there are others. Water quality ( poor visibility) during the spawn, low population numbers of one species only , lack of spawning locations , weather causing species who don't spawn at the same time to overlap and possible alternative mating strategies and others I am sure. It is common for lepomis species to cross.
















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I'm tired of not being able to post pictures. So I'm giving it a try. If this works it is a picture of a 9.5 inch HBG from my pond, between 14 and 15 ounces.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/bdz_2006/Dscf0023.jpg


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I'll try again.

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Third try

://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/bdz_2006/Dscf0023.jpg


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Fourth try, if this doesn't work I quit.




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It's working bz. Nice 'helmet' on that one.


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Thats a fat porker! A little fly jig on a ultra lite and 2 lb test would be a blast.

Heck I called anything that looked other than a bass or catfish a blue gill. man I have alot to catch up on. I still cant figure out all the res,hbg,gg,cc,lmb, but I am learning


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Trialsguy, although I know the difference, I still think of them as perch.

res: redear sunfish
hbg: hybrid bluegill
gg: georgia giant
cc: channel catfish
lmb: largemouth bass
cnbg: coppernose bluegill
bg: bluegill

http://www.pondboss.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=112031
fh: fathead minnow
gc: grass carp
smb: smallmouth bass

And, the list gets longer.


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Nice fish bz. How old is it?




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Wow, nice gill.


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Bz,

Very nice fish, Bz. It looks to me like there may be several different versions of the HBG with different genetics.

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Nice fish BZ!! \:\) Very interesting coloration. A little different from most of the other HBG posted on this thread. What can you tell us about their history , hatchery , and mix of parents? Do most of your's look like that one?
















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This fish just turned 4 years old. All I can tell you about its genetics is that I bought it from a local hatchery here in MN. The guy told me that it was a cross between bluegill and green sunfish. He keeps some breeder fish in separate tanks and he showed my his GSF and BG stock but I coudn't say anything about how pure a breed they were. Mine are all colored exactly like this but with some a little lighter at times. The light in the picture must have subdued some of the blue coloring since it does have the typical blue bars under the eyes. The series of light spots running in stipes down the sides are actually a little blueish. The bellies can be as bright yellow pumpkinseeds. When they were younger the blue was more pronounced. I stocked the fish when they were 3 months old which was Sept. 2002. I have very dark colored water in my pond which I think tends to make all my fish rather dark colored. If I ever catch a LMB I'll take a picture. They too are almost black on the top with a definite dark olive green color throughout.


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That's a really good photo. Thank you.


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D.I.E.D.'s fish have huge mouths.


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