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I see they're on the cutting board. With RW that high are you culling these fish?
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I see they're on the cutting board. With RW that high are you culling these fish? They're being threatened to do even better. Whoops I let out Bruce's secret!
If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.
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Cecil I would call that "genetic vigor" and it does occur (big vs. little people , High IQ , etc). Interesting is the comment on inbreeding depression - to many bad traits pop up and its corollary in hybrids - outbreeding depression - where the bad traits tend to pop up in offspring of hybrids (F2s F3s and FXs ). Bruce what happened to the mini-tailed BG ? - - Cecil do yours have that same genetic vigor ?
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I still think if Bruce can produce that performance from the middle 90% of the fish, the answer to fish farming BG for fillets will exist.
Now the scary part - think what the top 1% of the BG will be doing when the above 1&2 year olds are just average.
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Hey man. I know there's a reason why we still use the English method. If someone knows, tell me.
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Sunil - metric was pushed here in the US about 20 yrs ago, but lobbyists and manufacturing convinced congress that it would be too expensive to convert - again another congressional mistake.
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Hey man. I know there's a reason why we still use the English method. If someone knows, tell me. Because we're Portuguese-Americans, dag nabit!
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Cecil I would call that "genetic vigor" and it does occur (big vs. little people , High IQ , etc). Eric I would too but the text called it hybrid vigor even though the fish are of the same species. Interesting is the comment on inbreeding depression - to many bad traits pop up and its corollary in hybrids - outbreeding depression - where the bad traits tend to pop up in offspring of hybrids (F2s F3s and FXs ). Yeah I thought it was interesting reading too. What I found revealing was when one is breeding fish with like traits, i.e. fast growth, the fish are most likely closely related and one eventually will end up with a severely inbred population. Eventually growth suffers. This is why it's important to keep a separate population(s) on hand or bring in new seed if you are serious about a breeding program. Cecil do yours have that same genetic vigor ? I believe so. My gills hatched in July and I already had 2 plus inch gills in August. Not most of them mind you but some of them. I have some 3 inch gills right now. Although due to circumstances beyond my control this year with almost all of the broodstock being Bruce's, there were a few females that were of a different stock which isn't a bad thing.
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Can you believe the tiny little tails on those things?
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Can you believe the tiny little tails on those things? That's why they are so fat; cant get enough exercise.
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That cutting board must scare them sheetless!
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Just turned age-5 CSBG Length 11.375 inches Weight 1 lb 12 ounces I've now caught 4 almost exactly like this over the last 5 weeks. All between 11 and 11.5 inches. And all female!!
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And note no arms extended. That BG is big enough that no camera tricks were needed. Nice fish. Tail growth may catch up with the rest of its body in a couple years.
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That's a darn nice batch of BG girls. Why do I suspect their boyfriends are even more impressive? P.S. I see you found a hat I won't make fun of!
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Bruce, what are the differences in your age 5 males?
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If you mean between male and female...then not much. I'm really surprised at this batch of females. They're coming out of one of my tiny reproduction ponds. Shhhh. Don't tell anybody. I haven't seen a male yet out of this group. Imagine how those females will look when they're carrying eggs in about 10 weeks!!!
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WOW, Bruce, you've really gone over the top!
Yeah, those are crazy fish, but the endorsements are really over to top!!! . . . . . . Really though, crazy bluegills!
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WOW, Bruce, you've really gone over the top!
Yeah, those are crazy fish, but the endorsements are really over to top!!! You're right. My biggest dream in life has always been to be a spokesperson for Jaeger Wald farms.
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That's the definition of a dinner plate BG! Beautiful...
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WOW, Bruce, you've really gone over the top!
Yeah, those are crazy fish, but the endorsements are really over to top!!! You're right. My biggest dream in life has always been to be a spokesperson for Jaeger Wald farms. You can tell a truly successful operation by the world class spokesmodels they employ.
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OK, I'm going to have to pull out my Jaegerwald hat and take a picture of myself wearing it, but what would I be endorsing?
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Stunning, simply stunning fish Bruce.
I don't want to get too far off topic, but how many years have you been selectively breeding your BG? How much potential do you think is in your BG genetics? How much more size do you think you can tweak out of that fish and her sisters, and in future generations?
Have you considered introducing huge wild-caught freaks into your gene pool?
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Stunning, simply stunning fish Bruce.
I don't want to get too far off topic, but how many years have you been selectively breeding your BG? How much potential do you think is in your BG genetics? How much more size do you think you can tweak out of that fish and her sisters, and in future generations?
Have you considered introducing huge wild-caught freaks into your gene pool? My theory is that I'm not adding a ton to the top-end yet (improvements in nutrition may change that). The best thing I've got going for me now is sheer numbers. My selectively bred fish have a much higher liklihood of being super growers than the fish from 5-7 generations ago. I'm in my tenth year of this program. I have a couple of other "donor ponds" that are nearby my pond that contribute to the gene pool on an annual basis. I was afraid that if I kept just breeding the biggest CSBG together that I'd start getting fish with decreased genetic fitness. The fish above is very young for it's size. It's actually a surprise of sorts because three of my four big ones this winter came from a reproduction pond that I never got around to draining and seining from two years ago. There could be more!
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Amazing fish, Bruce!
Someday I hope to have a program modeled after yours.
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First, you need a good hat.
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