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That's good Bruce. \:D

A marketing point - Condello B. strain sounds like a pathogen not a big fish. How about Condello Giants or Condello Behemoth Gills - CGs or CBGs has a nice ring.
















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I would leave "giants" out of the name. Too much baggage with that word regarding bluegills.


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 Originally Posted By: Sunil
I would leave "giants" out of the name. Too much baggage with that word regarding bluegills.


Good Idea!


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I'd say the CSBG's are pretty close to spawning time. \:\)



Same fish--11 months old, by the way.




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Point that thing at someone else while you squeeze it, Bruce.

Question: Early female BG maturity is not adverse to delayed male BG maturity?


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I really wish I knew the answer to that question, but I believe that females spawn almost entirely on size and not age, so I think I'm going to have one year old gravid females forever. And lots of them.


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Hey Bruce your boys are now trying to sow their wild oats in my male only bluegill pond! Will they give up earlier with no females as they do in Cody's pond? They have also gone off feed somewhat. Do they do that when they are on the beds in your ponds too? Females and iffies are feeding in the cage just fine. I put up staked lines wherever there is a colony or even one nest as they are nesting pretty shallow. I'm worried about the herons! \:o

I hope to add some pics soon.

The world record bluegill repro is coming along fine. Can't believe I've had it so long! It should be shipped to you very soon.



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Yes, my bluegill in the all male ponds give up early when it comes to bedding.

And yes, the feeding decreases when they're on the beds.

Can't you just bring the reproduction to the conference so everyone can see it? I'll bet I could find a way to send it home from there. \:\)


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 Originally Posted By: Bruce Condello
Yes, my bluegill in the all male ponds give up early when it comes to bedding.

And yes, the feeding decreases when they're on the beds.

Can't you just bring the reproduction to the conference so everyone can see it? I'll bet I could find a way to send it home from there. \:\)


If that's what you want to do. Are you sure?


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I'd love it. Then everyone can see your great work. We could put it up at the moderators table.


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 Originally Posted By: Bruce Condello
I'd love it. Then everyone can see your great work. We could put it up at the moderators table.


O.K. can do.

It seems your BG's are already losing interest. Some were already off the beds today although maybe it had something to do with water temps? I'm getting them to feed on softened pellets and some completely left their beds to feed. A big warm up started the bedding, but although there has not been a significant cooldown it has been cloudy, rainy and 70's for highs.

How soon do your male only BG pond fish lose interest in bedding Bruce?

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Without females present they usually last anywhere from 5-10 days on the beds. Then they're back to the feedbag.


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 Originally Posted By: Bruce Condello
Without females present they usually last anywhere from 5-10 days on the beds. Then they're back to the feedbag.


Sounds earily like a college frat house.


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 Originally Posted By: jeffhasapond
 Originally Posted By: Bruce Condello
Without females present they usually last anywhere from 5-10 days on the beds. Then they're back to the feedbag.


Sounds earily like a college frat house.


Jeff,

How dare you compare my bluegills to frat boys!


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 Originally Posted By: Cecil Baird1
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 Originally Posted By: Bruce Condello
Without females present they usually last anywhere from 5-10 days on the beds. Then they're back to the feedbag.


Sounds earily like a college frat house.


Jeff,

How dare you compare my bluegills to frat boys!


Plenty of food. Girls not available. That was high school and college for me.


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 Originally Posted By: Bruce Condello
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Without females present they usually last anywhere from 5-10 days on the beds. Then they're back to the feedbag.


Sounds earily like a college frat house.


Jeff,

How dare you compare my bluegills to frat boys!


Plenty of food. Girls not available. That was high school and college for me.


I almost attended Ball State University here in Indiana because there were 5 girls to every guy! \:o

That said I had much better luck with the girls in college. No cliques like the high school I graduated from. ;\)


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Well the bluegill production pond was drained, sterilized, and refilled complete with spawning beds I hope the fish will use. Really late on this as I was held up by the smallmouth bass I was holding in the same pond. Temps have been just over 80 F. for a few days and fish have been on the beds in the pond they came from for almost a week with some already off the beds.

I planted 6 males and 8 females in this 1/10th acre pond that I caught one by one out of the all male bluegill/female perch pond, and walked quickly back to this pond via a 3 gallon buck. The females came out of a floating cage where I seperate them from the free swimming males.

My only concern is I could be too late and the females are already reabsorbing their eggs. However after Bill Cody pointed out to me the "rolling spawn" thread which I somehow missed, things may work out.

Interesting thing was once I released a male back into the pond I caught them from --- if I deemed it was not suitable -- that turned off the fish in that spawning colony and they got impossible to catch. Even if I released the fish a good 20 feet away I could see the fish bee lining right back to the colony.

I've heard fish can give off a "fear scent" which alerts the others. I also had a customer tell me when they really hit the smallmouth in a Michigan lake they put them temporarily in a live well because as soon as they released a fish the smallmouth stop hitting for the most part.

I apologize if I already posted this but here are the beds I made in the newly filled pond that were previous beds but I filled them with stone. They are now under about a foot and a half to two feet of water.



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CSBG age-1 59 weeks old.

7.125 inches Wr 133



CSBG age-2 111 weeks old

9 inches Wr 136




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DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!

I think that about sums it up.


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Well the offspring from Bruce's gills are still doing great and feeding like mad. I feed them three times a day with the 5D01. They get all the want to eat because some of the 5D01 floats so when the sinking feed is depleted they start sucking in the remaining floating feed for quite a while.

Four observations:

1.) There are some "shooters." That is, there are some that are longer and wider than the rest. (And they are quite stout!) Not sure why. Could be there were two different hatches and the bigger ones are several days older? Or do males already show faster growth this early? Or they adapted to the feed earlier than the others? Or they are simply superior fish. (shooters) There is a possibility since at least one or two females were from another stock it could be hybrid vigor? Bruce?
Bill?

2.) Biggest fish are about an inch and half now maybe 2 inches from being hatched in July.

3.) I need to get the broodstock fish out. Some of the males are bedding again in mid August. I don't need any more fish.

4.) I am also feeding tadpoles by the hundreds!

I staked the **** out of the pond with up to four 30 pound mono lines parallel to the bank and over the water, so hopefully the a heron can't get in.

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Hybrids or just different genetics ?
















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I have found out that if you feed over the nests, the spawners will hit it hard. Also throw some a little deeper around some cover and the females will partake. This should decrease the stress of the spawn in July, Aug. and Sept. with 90 surface temps.The food may even convince some males to abandon the spawn and go back to the main feeder....yea, right.


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 Originally Posted By: ewest
Hybrids or just different genetics ?


Just different genetics, but according to the following text I have, you can get "hybrid vigor" from different genetics and not just different fish species. That what it says anyway. Not sure what chapter it's in but this is good reading.

http://www.fao.org/docrep/006/x3840e/X3840E01.htm

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 Originally Posted By: burgermeister
I have found out that if you feed over the nests, the spawners will hit it hard. Also throw some a little deeper around some cover and the females will partake. This should decrease the stress of the spawn in July, Aug. and Sept. with 90 surface temps.The food may even convince some males to abandon the spawn and go back to the main feeder....yea, right.


Interesting. Water temps never get above 85 F. here and I don't believe it's been that high this year. Water temps are hovering the 70's lately here.

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Fifth and sixth generation CSBG

Age-1 and age-2 fish. Both captured on 9-3-08

The stats, after converting from metric are:

Fish #1: 6.75 inches and 6.0 ounces
Fish #2: 8.4 inches and 12.6 ounces




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