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I don't think any one source of food is good exclusively. My comment was as a supplement , especially pre winter , for pellet feeding fish. I will try to locate the physiological explanation of the problem with cold water pond predator fish with low or the wrong type of lipid source.
















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I couldn't help myself..

I just had to photograph one of the better bluegill that's being raised indoors this winter.

This particular fish will be a big player in the reproduction phase this spring and summer. He's certainly not the heaviest, but he's the best overall body condition and desired traits that I've seen. There are others that are over an ounce bigger, but I like this guy.




I would love it if somebody can tug on Dr. Dave's sleeve so he can glance at this too.

What do you guys think? For the non-metric people, he's about 10.5 ounces, and at 8.25 inches that's pretty stout.

Wr is 140 I believe


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Nice! But I can see the pale liver right through the skin.

Just kidding!

Well the pond with the Condello gills in a cage is ice free now. I removed three floaters, but the water is not clear enough to see to the bottom if there are any laying on the bottom. I'll have work on that later. Even if there are twice or three times that many that didn't make it, that's still not bad for 180 some fish.

In a cage in another pond where it's predominantly yellow perch I had two bluegill morts.

It may be the smaller holding ponds are not good for overwintering cage fish that are slightly less than four feet down in the water column. It may be since they are small ponds they cool down fast which is stressful. I had three ice ups and thaws this winter and between them there were high winds and temps in the teens before the ponds froze back up. May have super chilled the water. Max depth in the ponds is 7 to 9 feet depending on which pond.


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Note the long, stocky body, small head, and purplish (non-breeding season) coloration. By design or accident, Bruce's BG are developing a certain characteristic "look".

(No, FMcB, not THAT kind of "look".)

Excellent specimen, Bruce. Going on 2 years old?


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I like the body shape! Look at that steep head on the male bluegill, even at "only" 8.25 inches.

Dr. Bruce, I think the Wr is closer to 141. \:\)


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Yes, almost 21 months old.


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Love that lavender. He wont have any trouble getting the girls to donate to his nest.


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Theo,

Did you mean the lavender is a nonbreeding color? If so I have seen it on breeding fish. Besides Bruce's beauties I've seen it on Lake St. Clair bluegills during breeding season. Now there's a big, big lake that has some incredible bluegill and yellow perch! Also known for musky!

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I have lavender breeders. Color is an interesting trait. There are some very good posts here on the subject. NOTE THE COLOR CHANGE IN BRUCE'S CSBG IN THE SHORT TIME PERIOD OF THE 2 PICS. Like this color ?





Same fish - pics 5 seconds apart







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Cecil:

I meant that CSBG tend to be lavender (even) when they are NOT in breeding coloration mode.

I see that color on some of my BG, but ONLY in breeding season and never so much of it. (Of course, I never see as much of one af my BG as you can see of Bruce's, since they're so freakishly large.)

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O.K. that's what I thought you meant.

You know what I think? I think Bruce puts grape KoolAide in the water! \:D


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I've wondered a few times if when I choose each years "breeders" if I'm not subconsciously picking for some other characteristics. Like color, or body shape. I would think that by the time I get to twenty generations that my bluegill will........

Look exactly like redears.


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 Originally Posted By: Bruce Condello
I've wondered a few times if when I choose each years "breeders" if I'm not subconsciously picking for some other characteristics. Like color, or body shape. I would think that by the time I get to twenty generations that my bluegill will........

Look exactly like redears.


I hope not. I prefer bluegills over redears. Oops sorry!


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I'm no Bruce Condello, but I'm happy to report that our BG are doing well in their little pond. Despite overcrowded conditions, they are in surprisingly good body shape.

I apologize for not getting the full body in the picture. I'm still working on the whole "point and click" thing.




We caught another one that appears to have the typical yellow grubs. Do y'all think it could be anything else? We do have RES in that pond, but obviously not enough to prevent this sort of thing.




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davatsa that is one round well conditiond fish. Where did it come from?
















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I'll answer for him...The "nasty" pond we discussed a month or so ago. We have taken 70-80 out and put in other ponds.
edit Must be spring, Pond Bossing at office in middle of the day...lol

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Are they from Todd or another source ? There are a few of us not on spring break - kinda ! \:D
















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ewest,

"Spring Break" = one of the few thrills of still being a student.

On the other hand, I'm actually PAYING (good money, btw) to be tortured at school. That just doesn't make sense. At least those of you with real jobs are the ones GETTING PAID when you feel like you're being tortured.

To answer your question, about half the BG are from Todd Overton, while the other half are from Herrmann's Fish Farm (Robstown, Texas). We've chosen to mix our genetics with LMB and BG, so far with good results.

We did stock some CNBG and RES with the BG, I'm guessing at a ratio of 5:2:1 (BG, RES, CNBG). We have yet to see a CNBG.


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 Originally Posted By: davatsa
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I am not kidding you--that bluegill is an absolute PIGGIE! I'd be personally very proud of that fish.


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Oink, Oink!


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Early "helmet" formation on 23 month old CSBG...




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Who is that on the other side of the pond ?
















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Wow nice bluegill there Davatsa!

Bruce,

I'm happy to say the Condello bluegills are doing fine in the ponds and feeding well in either pond they are in. Many of the males are right in there with the yellow perch feeding like maniacs on the sinking hydrated feed, while some seem to have set up shop closer to shore possibly in preparation for spawning. The females are in a 5 by 5 foot cage and seem to be looking out forelornly at the other fish through the 1 1/4 inch mesh.

I have about 7 of your females and 2 of mine along with 4 of your males and 4 of mine in the breeding pond with the yellow perch fry. Hopefully I will have my perch so conditioned on feed by then they will not be interested in eating too many of the bluegill offspring. I may get the smallies off to Bass Pro Shops and Cabelas in time to put some bluegill breeders in that pond just in case. That was the plan originally but plans change.

Man I pulled a bluegill out of the holding pond today that had to be shaped like a dinner plate and just as big. Wish I would have gotten a picture. I probably should have put him in the breeder pond, but I put him in the monastery along with the other only male only bluegills. I'd like to see him come up at feeding time as my water is still crystal clear in that pond.

I had a wholesale buyer for an extra bluegills, but my contact there no longer works there. (Former owner's daughter) The new owner says most of his customers are only interested in the hybrids. Riiiiiiight.. . Just the opposite of what his former employee said. Funny my phone used to ring off the hook with people looking for "regular" bluegills.

No problem. I'll market them myself as premium bluegills. I thought after I cross them with mine I'll call them the Condello B. strain. What do you think? Or maybe I should call them Nebraska Giants.


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 Originally Posted By: ewest
Who is that on the other side of the pond ?


MJ


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 Originally Posted By: Cecil Baird1
...I'll market them myself as premium bluegills. I thought after I cross them with mine I'll call them the Condello B. strain. What do you think? Or maybe I should call them Nebraska Giants.


You can call them anything you want--just don't call them late for dinner. ;\)


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