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Hybrid stripers as LMB control?
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Read very interesting PB article about using HSB of appropriate size to control LMB numbers. Has anybody tried this? Did it come up in the discussion today, which unfortunately I missed?

I'd use tiger musky for this purpose if my pond were farther north. HSB are great fighters and add diversity, would love to have an excuse to stock more.

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IME, the other way around (LMB on HSB) worked really well.


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Aren't HSB largely sterile? If so, why would LMB be used to control their population?

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LMB can be really good at wiping out newly stocked HSB. That, pretty much, is population control.


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Thank you for the clarification.

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Originally Posted by RAH
Thank you for the clarification.


Yeah, even if it was a wise-assed comment!!


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Enjoying the repartee!

I do wonder if there's a strategy of using larger HSB to control YOY LMB. They tend to inhabit different habitats, so maybe not.


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I highly doubt the effectiveness of that.. LMB are tight shore, heavy habitat users when small, HSB are just the opposite being pelagic in nature they tend to hunt outside the littoral zone with less structure.
For the purpose of discussing ponds, I consider the Littoral zone outside the main vegetation/habitat "ring" unrelated to shoreline influence..

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Theo is probably referring to that 10 lb. northern strain LMB that he caught when he went to Niagara Falls.....the Canadian side.

He brought it home to his pond.


Excerpt from Robert Crais' "The Monkey's Raincoat:"
"She took another microscopic bite of her sandwich, then pushed it away. Maybe she absorbed nutrients from her surroundings."

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I believe the hsb did help to control my lmb numbers. No way to prove it but I did see a reduction of lmb in the 3 to 6" size. Either by the larger lmb and or both hsb and lmb. I saw it when my hsb and lmb were in the 4 to 8lb size. Hsb will travel in the shallows of a pond.

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Originally Posted by Sunil
Theo is probably referring to that 10 lb. northern strain LMB that he caught when he went to Niagara Falls.....the Canadian side.

He brought it home to his pond.

10 lb northern LMB? Wow!

I have heard there are world class SMB in the Niagara River, up to maybe 7 lb.


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Originally Posted by TGW1
I believe the hsb did help to control my lmb numbers. No way to prove it but I did see a reduction of lmb in the 3 to 6" size. Either by the larger lmb and or both hsb and lmb. I saw it when my hsb and lmb were in the 4 to 8lb size. Hsb will travel in the shallows of a pond.

Interesting, Tracy. I have HSB well over 5lb, unsure max size. But not a lot.


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I believe they do. Agree that in nature they are an open water fish. But, ponds limit that ability. LMB are somewhat structure oriented but only somewhat.


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I know I'm stating the obvious, but just as a reminder, HSB will "control" BG also. If a strong BG base is a priority, then be careful with the number of HSB stocked. A combo of HSB/LMB can sure affect the forage base.


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Originally Posted by anthropic
Originally Posted by Sunil
Theo is probably referring to that 10 lb. northern strain LMB that he caught when he went to Niagara Falls.....the Canadian side.

He brought it home to his pond.

10 lb northern LMB? Wow!

I have heard there are world class SMB in the Niagara River, up to maybe 7 lb.


A lot of guys lost their virginity up there too...on both sides of the border.


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Originally Posted by Sunil
Originally Posted by RAH
Thank you for the clarification.


Yeah, even if it was a wise-assed comment!!
Originally Posted by Sunil
Theo is probably referring to that 10 lb. northern strain LMB that he caught when he went to Niagara Falls.....the Canadian side.

He brought it home to his pond.
Pot, meet kettle.

P.S. The last time I was at Niagara Falls it was turned off. So no fishing.


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Studies in HSB/LMB and sunfish (BG , RES etc) ponds indicate that HSB will consume BG and LMB mostly very small ones < 4 inches BG and under 6 inches LMB but will not control the population. Very large HSB can eat larger LMB (< 12 inches) but that is not common due to hunting methods/ area - HSB deeper open water and LMB in cover/structure. Big LMB are a much more effective control on small <12 inch LMB.

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