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It is sad when some of the squabbles developed, but it is not too much to ask folks to be respectful of one another. It is this respectfulness that has kept me here (for better or for worse with regards to others:)). I found that adequate warnings were given, but sometimes emotions get the best of us. As a scientist, I believe we never know anything with absolute certainty even when there is a pile of evidence supporting something. There is a difference in saying that you (or I) find the evidence non-compelling versus denying the evidence exists. The latter can get me fired up as well. For example, I accept that black crappie in a small pond often leads to poor results, but still plan to try them with blue catfish in a 1/2 acre pond. If my experiment turns out badly, I accept that I was forewarned by those with far more experience than I, and I do not deny that the recommendations were offered based on strong data.

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I just made a donation today and have been receiving the magazine for the past year. Thank you for the reminder on the donation!


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I am not privy to any of the past squabbles being a relatively new member, but I can say that I truly appreciate the lack of drama, name calling, and degrading here at PB. Other forums that I have visited are full of smart-aleck-know-it-alls who obviously need a whoopin'.

Some of this has to do with the pond hobby mostly being a middle aged and above activity and it does not take too many gray hairs to thwart a cocky newcomer. Even though I hate to see the thwarting happen, I'm glad for this family-oriented place to hang out.

As far as the forum being slow...I'm sure alot of it has to do with the abundant amount of info already captured and available for those who have the time to search through it.

AND, I may be wrong here, but so many of the people with ALL the high end information and experience rely on that to make a living and I can't blame the them for not broadcasting it to the world.

Currently PB is a GREAT place to get started in the hobby and a very good place to share the more intermediate concepts and out-of the-norm experiments. I am very thankful for all those who have made that so!


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Hey who you calling middle aged... I'm just kidding I'm 43 its prolly time 2 own it. My wife gives me a hard time bout this forum. She calls it porn boss lol. And if told her yeah not much porn on here mainly older men talking bout fish. I dont care as much bout the fish more the looks of the pond. The fish are a bonus and have several different kinds. I been told a few times different things bout mixing them all but I really dont care. I dont sweat the small shit.

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I must admit that I do enjoy the contrarian point of view when presented in a reasonable manner. Understanding counterview points to my own, really helps me decide what is BS or not. Two of my biggest fears in life are: making decisions based on tainted information and a profit and loss statement that is fudged.

The accepted theory of operation changes over time for most things. This happens by poking and prodding, not just accepting the status quo. The hard part is not being an A55 while engaging in such inquiries.

Forums like Pond Boss are my favorite way to gain knowledge in a new endeavor. Thanks to all for making this a daily place to check-in and learn a thing or two every day.

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Against my better judgement, I'll venture out from under the rock and offer my perspective. The biggest difference I see on the forum of today vs. years past, is a lack of balance. There's still plenty of valuable, informative, helpful, often excruciatingly detailed info to be had, but there's very little fun and/or entertainment.

Sure.. Bruce, Cecil, Scott, CJ, and a host of others are gone, but so are the likes of JHAP, and Bob-O...that's what's missing, the opportunity to escape the detail orientated world of water, and enjoy a diversion for a few minutes. You've got lots of talent here on the forum today, but it's easy to get too wrapped up in it. It's a pond, a weed, and/or a fish..you're not trying to disarm a nuclear warhead with a rusty set of fence pliers. Maybe try to lighten up a little, once in awhile. There will always be questions needing answers, but a community needs to be more than an encyclopedia.

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If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
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sprkplug, Thanks for crawling out and posting my friend! Great to hear from you.
Utah uses the slogan "Life Elevated". Every time I read that on one of their license plates, I think of you, your present occupation, and how you elevated this forum.

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Come on plug! Don’t crawl back under that rock stay out and agitate us a bit more .... that is what is missing. Good to hear from ya

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Originally Posted By: DavidDunn
I just made a donation today and have been receiving the magazine for the past year. Thank you for the reminder on the donation!


Thank you David!


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Originally Posted By: 4CornersPuddle
Thanks for your post, Sunil. I've subscribed to the magazine the whole time I've been on here. You just prompted me to Donate to the Forum.
Good job. Or as they say these days, Good on You.

And I hadn't even offered up an opinion on this thread. Ha!


4C is all that - thank you buddy.


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Originally Posted By: RAH
It is sad when some of the squabbles developed, but it is not too much to ask folks to be respectful of one another. It is this respectfulness that has kept me here (for better or for worse with regards to others:)). I found that adequate warnings were given, but sometimes emotions get the best of us. As a scientist, I believe we never know anything with absolute certainty even when there is a pile of evidence supporting something. There is a difference in saying that you (or I) find the evidence non-compelling versus denying the evidence exists. The latter can get me fired up as well. For example, I accept that black crappie in a small pond often leads to poor results, but still plan to try them with blue catfish in a 1/2 acre pond. If my experiment turns out badly, I accept that I was forewarned by those with far more experience than I, and I do not deny that the recommendations were offered based on strong data.


I like this experiment...consider male only LMB for this fishery...they may focus solely on 4-6" BCP as they top out at 2 lbs and gape won't keep expanding putting your trophy BCP at risk. BC will continue to grow and will start focusing on larger BCP [8-10"] you may intend to harvest.


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I'm afraid the conditions laid out for my return are as unacceptable today, as they were back then. I'm going back on what I said I would do, just by posting now. No worries, as the view from under the rock does afford a unique perspective. That's why I said what I did in my earlier post. What I see missing/changed from the old days is more than a list of familiar names, it's the familiarity born of having shared more than pond related questions and answers. I think you should try and get some of that back.


"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
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My goal in the 1/2 acre pond is some large pet blue catfish. The crappie are a bonus for my neighbor to catch. I am sticking to fish that recruit so far, but would consider non-recruiting species if things get out of wack. Still are at early stages since plant life is developing slowly in the clay bowl. Leaves blow in from the south this time of year, so fertility should gradually improve. Even the ill-advised lotus is only spreading very slowly after a couple years and the only bud it had got cut off, likely by a painted turtle. Had an adult bald eagle come in for a look at this pond yesterday, but it did not stay long as I had one of my dogs along. On the subject of respectfully having an alternate view, I sometimes struggle like most. Sometimes I just need a nap:)

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Like everything in life, the world never says the same. People come and go. I'm glad my X wife is gone smile I do like those that stick around here. Helps me with this pond stuff. Every time I think "I got this" the dam pond changes.


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It is good to hear from Splug; hope things are going well with the elevator career.

The forum evolves - change is constant.

RAH - In addition to what TJ said, consider a few HSB that would target the YOY crappie when they are in open water that would help a lot to deter overpopulation; the BC alone might not adequately control high numbers of 4"+ BCP. BC will not likely eat YOY crappie unless that is the only fish available.

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I will definitely consider HSB if the BC overpopulate. I can get these easily. Only thing in pond now are FHM and LCS. Perhaps a few RES would also not hurt once I have some plants?

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Originally Posted By: liquidsquid
I am just starting to feel a little old, relying on forums to get my education rather than being curled up on the couch delving into YouTube.


YouTube is great until you need to ask a question.

One size does not fit all.

I prefer a discussion board like this one to youtube/fb, but I'm old.

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You can find something on YouTube that will agree with anything one might imagine. Science and evidence seem to predominate here. Lots of logical folks here.

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Originally Posted By: Bill Cody
It is good to hear from Splug; hope things are going well with the elevator career.

The forum evolves - change is constant.

RAH - In addition to what TJ said, consider a few HSB that would target the YOY crappie when they are in open water that would help a lot to deter overpopulation; the BC alone might not adequately control high numbers of 4"+ BCP. BC will not likely eat YOY crappie unless that is the only fish available.


HSB manage my HBCP populations pretty well - those F2 fish are very strange looking/mutants, don't mind feeding the HSB.


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Agree with Augie


It's not about the fish. It's about the pond. Take care of the pond and the fish will be fine. PB subscriber since before it was in color.

Without a sense of urgency, Nothing ever gets done.

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Originally Posted By: sprkplug
I'm afraid the conditions laid out for my return are as unacceptable today, as they were back then. I'm going back on what I said I would do, just by posting now. No worries, as the view from under the rock does afford a unique perspective. That's why I said what I did in my earlier post. What I see missing/changed from the old days is more than a list of familiar names, it's the familiarity born of having shared more than pond related questions and answers. I think you should try and get some of that back.


Ahhh...I have missed your thoughtful commentaries and sage advice on both pond and "other" issues Sparkie! ...I still get the itch to try making some syrup! Is that big FHC still around in your pond?


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I've noticed several of the questions in the forum are 3 years and older. Maybe there is a way to show the newest reply to the post first; that way the forums don't seem neglected.

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I for one am ashamed to admit have not donated to the forum, apart from subscribing to the magazine. I am really guilty there, and have a lot of seemingly valid excuses. Planning a donation soon when my family is back on its feet (long story).

I do try to contribute content when I have something to offer when I can, to offset the lack of donations. I am no expert biologist, just an engineer with a hobby.

FYI for image sharing: I have been using Google for image storage when not on FB. It works well enough, just a pain in the butt to embed then in a forum like this. All the other image hosting sites have gone to a payment system.

An option would be to roll over the forums to Disqus, which is a hosted service. Works well enough on Wundergound, but honestly I like ubb well enough.


As an aside, note how dpreview camera site is laid out. Articles are posted, and there is the ability to post comments about them below that are tied to forum logins. If the goal of a website is to attract a community of people and therefore customers, this is about as good as it gets. However, with more people comes more problems, and I have had a lot of trouble with flat-out jerks there. The type that if they tried to pull a stunt like they do in a bar face to face, would not end pretty for them.

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Originally Posted By: liquidsquid
FYI for image sharing: I have been using Google for image storage when not on FB. It works well enough, just a pain in the butt to embed then in a forum like this. All the other image hosting sites have gone to a payment system

I have been using free PostImage.org again to add a url to an image.

Postimage.org provides free image hosting services for forums and they allow forums to add their image hosting service to a forum by installing the appropriate Image Upload extension. "Our plugin is a perfect solution for forums with visitors who are not quite tech savvy, and have difficulties uploading images to the Internet"....does that sound like us or what?

https://postimages.org/plugins

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However, with more people comes more problems

Yes I have found that to be true in most cases. Maybe that's the reason many of us have our ponds...to get away from people a.k.a problems...lol


Fishing has never been about the fish....

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