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Can anyone confirm that these are juvenile RES?

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I'd call all three of them BG.

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Thanks for the help Augie even if it’s not what I wanted to hear and suspected.
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I've been having decent results controlling BG numbers by constant trapping.
Every one I catch goes into a cage, then either into my bait pond or my buddy's quarry lake, or into a batch of BG puree for my baby RES.

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Augie It seems that I got my Ztrap at the perfect time. I caught 35-40 small BG in it with a 3 hour soak this afternoon. I think that this will be my best bet for controlling them. The first 3 caught in the the trap were put back in the pond dead to feed the CC or any fish that will eat them. The same will be done with all BG from here moving forward. Thanks for the tip!
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Z trap is a very effective tool. Keep it soaking and you will be able to remove a mountain of BG.

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I’m moving the Z trap around the pond to find the spots where it is most effective with dog food in a mesh bag. Shallow areas along the dam have been the best thus far. I agree with you Augie this trap should be able to control the unwanted BG population. In addition you also get to sample other fish and evaluate how they are doing.

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I’m thinking of adding an additional trap after trapping 50-60 small BG on a 3 hour soak. The 28 inch size has a 1/2 inch width by 15 inch long opening on the 3 entry points. Does anyone have any experience with this one or can recommend a similar cloverleaf trap? The Z trap is great. I just want to compare the results on the 2 different styles.

https://ktraps.com/products/cloverleaf-trap?variant=32243846676524

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I found 2 other cloverleaf traps and wondered if anyone has had any experience with any of the 3 pros or cons. Any help is greatly appreciated!

https://www.memphisnet.net/product/2382/traps-fish-minnow

https://www.reeltexasoutdoors.com/p...-trap-perch-trap-bream-trap-pinfish-trap
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The Memphis trap has 1" square mesh. I would go with the 1/2" models if you are trying to get all the fish you can and are not just targeting the next larger class. I really like the framed construction of the Ktrap, but it seems to lack the separate and centralized bait compartment. I have built my own cloverleaf and it very closely resembles the Real Texas model. I am happy with it's size and function.


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Thank you for your response to my post Quarter Acre! I purchased the Z trap with 1/2 inch squares from Reel Texas Outdoors and have been putting a mesh bag with dog food in it with excellent results on small BG. I agree with you that the trap needs to have the 1/2 inch squares to catch all sizes. My question is the 1/2 inch width of the K trap opening large enough to allow adult BG to enter the trap?

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1/2" opening gap is too narrow for adult panfish. I have openings on mine set at about 1-1/4" wide...I have never trapped a panfish over, say, 1/3 pound. I would stretch open the gaps to be about 1/4 to 3/8" wider than the adult fish size (thickness) that you are targeting.


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Quarter Acre are you saying that the width of the opening should be 1 1/2” - 1 5/8” ideally to catch adult panfish?
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Maybe Augie can chime in here with his slot size and catch sizes to confirm this, but that is what I am saying. However, I have never targeted the larger panfish with my trap. I am basing it on the fact that I have caught several 1/3 pound fish with my 1-1/4 opening and these 1/3 pound fish were about an inch wide. That extra 1/4" allows them to enter without the fear of getting hung up. Mostly, my trap catches the smaller 2 to 4 inch fish with the 1-1/4 opening. You may find that you need to open the slit up a fair amount to catch the whoppers.


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Thanks Quarter Acre! Does anyone know the width of an adult BG?
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I built my Z trap to catch the little ones. IIRC, the slots are 3/4"x4"-ish. Mesh size is 1/4". 4" BG is about the biggest that it will catch.
It also gets plenty of sub-6" YP, FHM, and GSH. No bait required. Just soak it.

My strategy of "managing around" the BG is to remove as many small ones as I can by trapping, and let the ones that get away
turn into whoppers for the grandkids to catch on R&R.

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Augie thanks for the details and that might be the solution that I end up doing. However, I contacted Ktraps and he is willing to modify any trap he makes to the width that I want. More specifically he asked what is the width of the adult BG? My thought on this is the more adult BG I can remove the less juvenile BG I will have to remove. Next year I’m thinking this shouldn’t be as big of an issue because the BCP will be large enough to hammer up to I’m guessing about 3 inch long juvenile BG.
Thought: I put 250 BCP last November I wonder if I can find another 50 adult BCP to put in now to assist me with my trapping?
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I wanted to share a website that was given to me to help anyone that is looking to stock alternative native forage for their ponds. I am picking up my Z trap from the farm and my adventure begins next week for the Satinfin shiner. If you would like to catch/trap your own to diversify forage in your own pond this one is for you.

http://fishmap.org/

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I wanted to add a post here for the future mentioned by Matzilla in another thread. Stunted BCP can be caught in a cloverleaf trap baited with a can of tuna with holes in it at mid-depth. Thanks for that information Matzilla!

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Feeding Optimal Junior and Optimal Bass mix at 6 seconds in the morning and 7 seconds in the evening. 2 more traps (cloverleaf) arrived today to tackle the unwanted BG and capture the Satinfin shiners

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Has anyone ever tried something like this? I was wondering if the color of the barrel made any difference with cool water species fish as a holding tank or would a fish cage be much better?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fKD5MyRAK5c

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I don't think the color would make much difference. I would choose white, but if it stays in the pond...it's going to discolor anyhow. With that said, I would use a box (or cylindrical) cage instead made from wire cloth just hanging from a rope off the dock if it is something that will be pulled out often. I have a box cage made from plastic coated wire mesh and like it alot for that purpose. That barrel cage is going to be a booger to get in and out of the water and will be as much, if not more, work than hog ringing some wire mesh together. They drilled alot of holes in it, but it will take a fair amount of time while pulling it out of the water to drain enough to be light enough to handle... a wire cage will not have this problem. The barrel cage would work better and last longer if it were a permanent installation in the water and you used a long-ish net to retrieve the bait. At that point I would forego the flotation noodle and just mount it to the dock.

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Thanks QA! That gives me some information to think about.

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Finally! Satinfin or Spotfin shiner?
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Thanks esshup for removing the link and adding the picture!

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My 2 cents goes with Satinfin. Pretty fish.


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