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Re: What did you do at your pond today?
TGW1 #525196 08/25/20 04:24 PM
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Male otterhounds gets up to 125 lb. They were so effective in England that otters were nearly wiped out and otters became protected in 1982. They can follow the scent of their prey in the water and on land.

https://dogtime.com/dog-breeds/otterhound#/slide/1

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Originally Posted by anthropic
Male otterhounds gets up to 125 lb. They were so effective in England that otters were nearly wiped out and otters became protected in 1982. They can follow the scent of their prey in the water and on land.

https://dogtime.com/dog-breeds/otterhound#/slide/1

That’s a big dog! The dog you would have to feed year round but the otters only for a short time....lol

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My German shepherds enjoy beaver meat (neighbor is a trapper), but the beaver were never active when I was at the pond with the dogs. My neighbor dispatched the 6 remaining beaver in my pond. Still have plenty trying to clog a culvert on the other end of my property which live in another neighbor's pond and a nearby creek. So far, the cage that I built around the pipe has kept them out. Looks like otter hounds are a very rare breed.

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Tracy, get Todd out there to electroshock the pond when the water cools down. That way you will find out what is left.


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esshup that is what I was thinking. e survey would be nice to have. I hate it that the pond was producing good fishing no matter what fish you were fishing for. I know my lmb numbers are down because I have bull frogs everywhere. Lots and Lots of them. Snakes too. I had not seen any snakes in the pond in a couple of years Last time I saw large numbers of frogs and snakes at the pond was back when the pond was about a year old. I am seeing some nice sized bg and a few lmb and i think I saw an hsb too. But nothing like what I had before the fish kill. frown

Now as far as Otter hounds, I think there are several breeds of dogs that can control otter numbers around a pond. RAH has some dogs that could be trained as well as other breeds. There are dogs out there that chase and kill cats, those dogs could easly be trained to kill otters I think.

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canyoncreek #525359 08/31/20 11:23 AM
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Completed construction of a 1/4" mesh Z trap over the weekend. This one is a 2'x2'x2' cube. There are three 3/4"x3" openings in each funnel.

The primary use for this one will be the removal of small BG/HBG and sampling for yoy YP.

Two overnight soaks - no bait, in 4' of water - yielded 200+ BG/HBG/RES, half a dozen small crayfish, and a handful of GSH and FHM.
The RES go into the pellet training cage. BG/HBG/crayfish/minnows are transferred to the new forage pond.

The 2' height is probably overkill, and makes the thing a bit unwieldy to dump, but my thinking was that I'll use a 4' seine as a lead when I get
serious about sampling for yoy YP, and a tall trap may be more effective than a short trap when deployed in that manner.

If I wanted to catch hand-size BG , I'd use 1/2" mesh, cut the height down to 11.5", and put a single 1"x5" opening in each funnel.



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That will be a very good trap for the smaller fish that would swim through 1/2" mesh. It would be good it they sold those traps in 1/4" .


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canyoncreek #525380 08/31/20 09:23 PM
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So in your picture you have the 1/4" mesh.. Bill is the 1/4" better than 1/2"
What do they sell usually?
I think I have 1/4" mesh roll here and would like to build one soon. I'm thinking 12-14" tall is probably plenty tall for my small puddle

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Augie,
What do you contribute the PK shrimp success to? Is there a certain water type or vegetation type that they seem to hang out in?

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Before the muskrats destroyed all of the APW the shrimp would hang out in there.

Now, aside from a few remnants of cattail and arrowhead that the vermin haven't yet eaten, the only vegetation in my pond is bladderwort.
Any time I mess with it I can see shrimp flipping around. The fish see them too and then poof gone no more shrimp.

Before the rats ate the APW I would catch PK every time I soaked a trap. I haven't trapped any PK since the rooted plants were wiped out.
So I'm gonna say the nice stand of APW that I used to have made a happy home for PK shrimp.

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Just as a "what if?", yesterday evening I hung the Z trap off the deep water side of the dock - about 6' down in 14' of water.

This morning it held two BG, one RES, and a bullfrog tadpole.

Later today, if the rain stops, I'll hang it in the same spot, but with the top of the trap pulled up to the bottom of the dock floats.

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Thanks Augie, I was afraid of that. The PKs really need certain types of vegetation to hide/thrive in. I think my stocking was in vain as I'm still struggling to get a stand of ANY weed (desirable or not) to take root....

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I'll be rid of the rats soon enough, but it's too late in the year for the APW to grow back before winter. There's a mountain of seed in the pond so
it ought to come back just fine next spring.

I'm hoping that the giant tangle of cedar trees that I put in before my pond filled will provide enough cover for some of the shrimp to survive the winter,
because that's about all there will be for them once cold weather gets here and the bladderwort croaks.

On another note, I just got off the phone with Chet Hartley. My SMB order is locked in, and he's got a few advanced HSB for me. Water temps are
still on the warm side so we're going to touch base again in a couple of weeks. I expect I'll be able to pick them up before the end of this month.

And I think I forgot to mention that I found one yoy YP in the Z trap when I pulled it yesterday. It was a sickly looking little thing. Not even as long as
my pinky finger, horribly mal-nourished, and only slightly dead. So from that I can say that my YP did pull off a spawn last spring. I just hope the rest
of them are managing better than this one did.

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Grandson caught two fat 19 inch LMB. Happy kid!


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I've been thining my larger GSH down, I've pulled 141 GSH in the 5-7" size range out of my 1/4 acre pond in the last three weeks. (564/acre) So far I haven't seen a noticable difference in the number of large shiners eating pellets in the evening.



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Originally Posted by Shorty
I've been thining my larger GSH down, I've pulled 141 GSH in the 5-7" size range out of my 1/4 acre pond in the last three weeks. (564/acre) So far I haven't seen a noticable difference in the number of large shiners eating pellets in the evening.
Shorty, what method are you using to remove them. I think I have some that are getting to big that need to be removed. I really wasn't planning to stock them but must of been some in with the FHM. They've been in for 2 years now and I think some might be up to 8".I just stocked the LMB this spring so those big ones won't be getting ate anytime soon.

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Re: What did you do at your pond today?
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Rod and reel, I'm using an 1/80th oz micro jig, casting bubble, and a very small peice of nightcrawler. I keep a five gallon bucket next to the dock that I throw them in to dispose of.



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1/80th oz micro jig hard to find locally. Would a ice fishing jig work? Or is bright color a no-no here?

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Originally Posted by Augie
Before the muskrats destroyed all of the APW the shrimp would hang out in there.

Now, aside from a few remnants of cattail and arrowhead that the vermin haven't yet eaten, the only vegetation in my pond is bladderwort.
Any time I mess with it I can see shrimp flipping around. The fish see them too and then poof gone no more shrimp.

Before the rats ate the APW I would catch PK every time I soaked a trap. I haven't trapped any PK since the rooted plants were wiped out.
So I'm gonna say the nice stand of APW that I used to have made a happy home for PK shrimp.

Augie, I finally have a pretty fair amount of APW, but it’s too little too late for my shrimp. When we had that drought a few years ago the water level dropped down below where I had any cover on the banks. I haven’t seen any since. My traps catch about 20 tadpoles for every baby HBG, and about 20 HBG for every GSH. Only a couple YP in the traps, and 0 SMB. I think that’s more about where I place the traps vs fish numbers.
I’m worried about muskrats. What’s the first sign I should be looking for that they are around?
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The first thing that I noticed after the muskrats moved in were shredded cattails and almost overnight - muddy water. Then the APW started to disappear.
Then they started on the arrowhead. It didn't take long at all for them to wreck the place. The pond looked like a war zone two weeks after they showed up.

We shot five of them. I don't know how many are left because they don't show themselves. Conibear traps are here and going in this weekend.

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Ice fishing jigs would probably work. I find micro jigs in the fly tying sections of Bass Pro and Cabela's, you won't find them in the regular fishing section.



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Thanks Shorty! Do you catch more GSH or BG with your method? How deep are you fishing? Are you fishing near the bank or in more open water?

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I catch everything with it, RES, SMB, HSB, and GSH. When targeting GSH I use a very small peice of nightcrawler, 1/4", and have the micro jig set 16" below the casting bubble. GSH can be caught near the bank or in open water, most of the other fish I catch are caught near the bank.



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Thanks again Shorty! When I try it I will start with more open water then.


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