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#445447 04/26/16 09:40 PM
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I get some great wildlife pics of just about every critter on my trail cam, including Coyotes but I've only caught a few of them in daylight and in color.

This may be normal, but I just thought this one has the most beautiful coat!





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Beautiful picture!

I couldn't kill a yote. Too much like a dog. And smarter.

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If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.






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How about if they were eating your pets?

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Originally Posted By: RAH
How about if they were eating your pets?


Pets, wives, children...

The line is drawn when they start taking the fish !!!!!!! cry

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Yeah look like a dog or not they are going down if I see one.... When they start eating your future 1000 dollar calf you would kill them.... I know your statement says you wouldn't kill them but lets remember what they really are... and that's a wild animal that will to eat your kid if they can.... Just like them wild dogs I would smoke them too in a heartbeat.... and sleep at night just fine!

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Originally Posted By: RAH
How about if they were eating your pets?


My dog weights 130 lbs. She's safe. grin

Just like George's special breed that guards his sheep, it would be tough for them to get their jaws around her neck and through all that fur and thick hide. And as an Akita she can be fierce if she has to be.



Hey guys I perfectly understand what a nuisance and the damage coyotes can do. It's just that I couldn't shoot one. That's all.

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If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.






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That's a great picture Keith. Where are you at from Lincoln?


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great picture


Fishing has never been about the fish....

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They give me problems, I will shoot. Otherwise, I enjoy watching them and let em be.


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Originally Posted By: NEDOC
That's a great picture Keith. Where are you at from Lincoln?

Thanks NEDOC (and others), just two miles East near Walton. Are you near here?

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Originally Posted By: Lovnlivin
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That's a great picture Keith. Where are you at from Lincoln?

Thanks NEDOC (and others), just two miles East near Walton. Are you near here?


I'm 70 miles SW of Lincoln, or about 25 east of Hastings.

I've got a .6 acre RES and SMB pond I've been working with TJ on. And then a 16 acre pond that has worse visibility than your pond. Probably about 3" secchi disc reading. I'm trying to rid it of carp and turn it into a blue catfishery.

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On a related note, just saw this released in the news about changes in hunting seasons in Michigan:

The state DNR has changed the rules on Coyote hunting. Coyote may now be hunted year round in Michigan.

But hunters may not use dogs between the middle of April and the second week of July.

Possum may also be hunted year round, and the raccoon season will run October 1st through the end of the January.

Fox season will run from October 15th through March 1st.

Trapping rules have not been changed.

Private land owners also retain the right to shoot critters when they are in the act of doing damage.



(personal comment, I wish the right to shoot critters which are doing damage could be applied to GBH, why should they get a pass?)

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Originally Posted By: canyoncreek
(personal comment, I wish the right to shoot critters which are doing damage could be applied to GBH, why should they get a pass?)

Agreed....

ps: those evil birds are smart.

Canyon I will make an exception for these rascals:





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Originally Posted By: canyoncreek

(personal comment, I wish the right to shoot critters which are doing damage could be applied to GBH, why should they get a pass?)


You can get a permit to shoot them from the feds as long as you have exhausted all nonlethal means and you raise fish for a living. It's 100 dollars. Sell some fish and come up with a business name?

I used to buy one but have better things to do with 100 dollars, and don't like to kill creatures that are just doing what they evolved to do. They were here before I put my pond in I and made it an attractive place to feed.

Just my opinion and you know what they say about opinions.

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If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.






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Here is a nice cinnamon yote. Hope he got his seed out before.

We have a very large problem with them around Ontario to the point that it is really effecting the deer population.

Great game cam shot. He looks to be molting a bit in the hind end getting his summer coat. His front is all in for the summer. If you look close you can tell.

Not sure if you seen this one we found like this durring out deer hunt? Took three of us to let him out of the fence. IF you look close at the picture you can see the Y stick to the left going in for his neck. They have little power to open their jaw so once closed its easy to hold. JUST DON'T LET IT GO OR YOU WILL HAVE YOUR HANDS FULL. We don't take any yotes until there is allot of snow on the ground.

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I shoot them on sight, but I live rural and they love the taste of dog! One dog is never safe around coyotes. They will circle and attack from behind. I lost a Belgium shepherd last year and nearly lost my boxer 15+ years ago. That dude was tough, but still lost part of his hind end. I always have at least 2 or 3 dogs, but if I get one that is a solo roamer....... I had them circle one dog 20 yards outside my front door, but I was at home. Can't blame them for doing what they do, but I shoot all I can around my place.


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I was just down at a friends place picking up a side of beef. He is having a problem with coyotes attacking his cattle, so he bought a donkey. I guess they do a pretty damn good job at fending off the yotes, I never knew that. First thing he asked me, "Do you want to see my white ass?" grin



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Sheep ranchers in Colorado are using Llamas for the same thing.

But, a Llama isn't any protection against Mountain Lions.....


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Originally Posted By: Cecil Baird1

I used to buy one but have better things to do with 100 dollars, and don't like to kill creatures that are just doing what they evolved to do. They were here before I put my pond in I and made it an attractive place to feed.


Cecil, I feel the same way as you, but when they start impacting my pocketbook, I have to take a different stance.

I lost a whole cage full of HSB last year to GBH predation, and that is with a "bird net" lid on it. This year the $100 spent was less than 10% of my fish loss last year. I am taking more steps to ensure that the fish cages are bird proof, but I also am looking at the $100 spent as an insurance policy. I have legal options now.

Regarding coyotes, a guy (I believe in Southern Indiana) put a trail cam on a coyote den. From the time the pups were weaned until they left the den Mom & Dad brought 80 fawns home for dinner......


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We've got coyotes galore and still the deer population is strong. I wouldn't mind if they thinned the deer a little more actually.


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Originally Posted By: esshup
Originally Posted By: Cecil Baird1

I used to buy one but have better things to do with 100 dollars, and don't like to kill creatures that are just doing what they evolved to do. They were here before I put my pond in I and made it an attractive place to feed.


Cecil, I feel the same way as you, but when they start impacting my pocketbook, I have to take a different stance.

I lost a whole cage full of HSB last year to GBH predation, and that is with a "bird net" lid on it. This year the $100 spent was less than 10% of my fish loss last year. I am taking more steps to ensure that the fish cages are bird proof, but I also am looking at the $100 spent as an insurance policy. I have legal options now.

Regarding coyotes, a guy (I believe in Southern Indiana) put a trail cam on a coyote den. From the time the pups were weaned until they left the den Mom & Dad brought 80 fawns home for dinner......



How did the GBH get the fish? Did they land on the cage? Did they just kill the fish and not get them out?

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Originally Posted By: esshup


Regarding coyotes, a guy (I believe in Southern Indiana) put a trail cam on a coyote den. From the time the pups were weaned until they left the den Mom & Dad brought 80 fawns home for dinner......




Now that sucks!! If them or hogs are around and I am in a position to shoot they are going down.... Not a second thought...

On the Donkey note yes that does work pretty good. Donkeys will flat take off after a yote and kick and bite and make a ruckus that the farmer has to here if he is near by!! The other night I had one on my camera at the land it was 10 at night I had to go to the truck to get something and thought I heard foot steps in the leaves.... and sure enough about 3 minutes later my farmer next door his Donkey was having a fricken fit!!! Sounded like he was in my yard he was so loud!! Pulled the camera that next morning and there he was 10:02. Donkeys are/and can be a force if pissed off and they don't back down from a yote it's the craziest thing I have ever seen!!

RC

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80 fawns killed by one pair of coyotes to support a single litter deserves a little math. Over what period of time were they fed to how many pups? How many pounds of meat were consumed by this one family? Why did this clutch stay in just one den when most move around? I eliminate coyotes due to their numbers and adverse effects on deer, but 80 fawns by one pair and pups seems unbelievable.

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Dead fish that had been in an ice chest for a week - no ice. There was ice to start but relative they were left for did not come pick them up. A week later - yuck. Dumped them where the buzzards could get them . Yote got there before the birds and came in and ate too many or maybe got a bone stuck. If you look close you can see fish on the ground and no marks (wounds) on the yote.


















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Originally Posted By: BrianL
I shoot them on sight, but I live rural and they love the taste of dog! One dog is never safe around coyotes. They will circle and attack from behind. I lost a Belgium shepherd last year and nearly lost my boxer 15+ years ago. That dude was tough, but still lost part of his hind end. I always have at least 2 or 3 dogs, but if I get one that is a solo roamer....... I had them circle one dog 20 yards outside my front door, but I was at home. Can't blame them for doing what they do, but I shoot all I can around my place.


Ya Brian the really smart bunch will play with the dog. Kinda like hide and seek a bit and keep the dog moving away from the roads and houses. Once away the bunch will turn on the dog and eat them. They will eat the wild cats too.


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