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If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.
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I haven't seen it before. Very cool! Time to set up my game cam!
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On local news early this year we had reports in Memphis TN, of dogs in open air kennel killed and partially eaten in certain neighborhoods. That has since stopped. There was another cougar caught on a game camera in west TN near Rilply in a Hatchie Wildlife Refuge in the summer.
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This report doesn't surprise me at all. Although many disagree on this forum, I find it reasonable to assume cougars could range from Canada all the way to Florida along the East Coast - most of those states have sightings or tracks, too. The topography and forests lend themselves hiding a secretive apex predator, and the deer/turkey populations are strong enough to support a few I'd think.
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"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"
If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1) And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1) Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT? PB answer: It depends.
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TJ, I'm surprised you didn't throw Bigfoot in there!!
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TJ will never have cat or bigfoot issues. They don't mix well with tannerite.
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This report doesn't surprise me at all. Although many disagree on this forum, I find it reasonable to assume cougars could range from Canada all the way to Florida along the East Coast - most of those states have sightings or tracks, too. The topography and forests lend themselves hiding a secretive apex predator, and the deer/turkey populations are strong enough to support a few I'd think. A good example of an increase in numbers of a large mammal -- where they were once extirpated -- is the fairly densely populated small state of Massachusetts (extremely dense in the eastern third) albeit with dense forest and 5000 natural ponds and reservoirs, has 850 to 900 moose mostly in northern part of one county! http://www.mass.gov/eea/agencies/dfg/dfw/fish-wildlife-plants/mammals/moose-in-mass-generic.htmlUnfortunately here's what happens when you hit one with a car! Used to live in that county in the late 60's and early 70's and never saw one. Deer were scarce then too. The population has apparently exploded in the last few decades. Now you see moose crossing signs. There were no moose crossing signs when I lived there. Update: Here is the rest of the info on the moose and more pics. Driver escaped with just a scratch. Thank you Bob on the Mass category of Myfishfinder. http://www.smokeshowingphotography.com/p236848669
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A few years back at one of the PB Cons, there was a presentation about mountain lions and how far they ranged.
It made it clear, to me at least, that a sighting was usually for an animal that was essentially passing through an area vs. actually living in that area, hence the relatively low number of sightings.
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A few years back at one of the PB Cons, there was a presentation about mountain lions and how far they ranged.
It made it clear, to me at least, that a sighting was usually for an animal that was essentially passing through an area vs. actually living in that area, hence the relatively low number of sightings. While I think this is true in some instances. I just wish science would acknowledge this as a possibility rather than just stand proudly back and say "See, told you there were no mountain lions living here...that cat was a transient from someplace else" As far as I have noticed in most cases, the witness wasn't claiming the out of place animal was a resident, only that they had experienced a sighting. Too many times science gets caught up on explaining why a population of animals can't be living in an area, rather than just recognizing that a sighting has occurred. I feel that most times it doesn't matter to the witness that a breeding population hasn't yet established itself, only that someone in authority recognizes that they did indeed see something.
"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"
If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1) And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1) Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT? PB answer: It depends.
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What gets me is the ridicule people were getting initially by so called experts when they said they saw a cougar in their respective states. But these arrogant experts had to eat their words thanks to the camera technolgy that is now available.
As far as "transient" I'm in agreement with you Tony. And it may take awhile but at some point those males will be joined by females albeit very slowly and gradually from where they are presently established. That's nature's directive and we can clearly see it with other species.
That doesn't say they will never establish themselves in areas that are not suited and move on.
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Cecil, they are seeing more moose because of the signs. Take down the signs and the moose wouldn't know where to cross, so the sightings would be more spread out, if at all.
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I'm with you Tony. Further I believe there exist resident populations of Jaguars in TX, NM, AZ - especially after watching a documentary where DNR officials were investigating reports of Jaguars coming up from Central America and Mexico with game cams, etc. While I don't fear Cougars, the Jaguar is the third largest cat and the 7th largest land predator in the world topping out at 300+, and humans are vulnerable and definitely on the menu. Along with the Longhorns football program, Africanized bees and the lack of SMB, WE, and YP in fisheries, it's yet another proof that anyone living in TX is crazy and solo encounters avoided at all costs.
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And the Jaguar explanation would explain the continued reports of "black panthers" quite handily.
"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"
If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1) And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1) Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT? PB answer: It depends.
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I'm with you Tony. Further I believe there exist resident populations of Jaguars in TX, NM, AZ - especially after watching a documentary where DNR officials were investigating reports of Jaguars coming up from Central America and Mexico with game cams, etc. While I don't fear Cougars, the Jaguar is the third largest cat and the 7th largest land predator in the world topping out at 300+, and humans are vulnerable and definitely on the menu. Along with the Longhorns football program, Africanized bees and the lack of SMB, WE, and YP in fisheries, it's yet another proof that anyone living in TX is crazy and solo encounters avoided at all costs. And Fire Ants. Or possibly Africanized Fire Ants. Hard to say what happens after dark down there.
"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"
If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1) And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1) Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT? PB answer: It depends.
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No SMB and YP , some one needs to work on that
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What gets me is the ridicule people were getting initially by so called experts when they said they saw a cougar in their respective states. But these arrogant experts had to eat their words thanks to the camera technolgy that is now available.
As far as "transient" I'm in agreement with you Tony. And it may take awhile but at some point those males will be joined by females albeit very slowly and gradually from where they are presently established. That's nature's directive and we can clearly see it with other species.
That doesn't say they will never establish themselves in areas that are not suited and move on.
Between my cousin and I we have had 3 sightings of a cougar on the west Texas property within a 5 year period. All three sightings were within 1/2 mile of each other and in all three instances we were within 50-60 yards from the animal(very unusual).
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I saw one run across the road in front of me on July 11th this year. No mistake, It was a Cougar. Pretty cool to see tho!
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TJ, about 10 years ago we had 2 separate deer kills due to a mountain lion just over the dam of my large pond. My dad was scouting for deer season and he saw steam coming from a grass bed just below the dam. He walked over to check it out and a mountain lion ran off. Walked up to the steam and noticed it was coming from the hind quarters of a freshly killed buck (decent size). It was a pretty fascinating crime scene. The lion had jumped from a nearby tree onto the bucks back, slit it jugular, rode its back in circles for quite some time til it dropped, then began eating it. Several hundred yards down the creek we found a similar crime scene but the deer had been eaten down to the skeleton. That made for an interesting deer season knowing that you may be the hunted rather than the hunter.
Also had a confirmed sighting of 2 young cubs by my mother in law 7-8 years ago while deer hunting. Game warden came out and verified by looking at the tracks. Sightings were pretty common around here until disease killed most of the deer.
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I'm with you Tony. Further I believe there exist resident populations of Jaguars in TX, NM, AZ - especially after watching a documentary where DNR officials were investigating reports of Jaguars coming up from Central America and Mexico with game cams, etc. While I don't fear Cougars, the Jaguar is the third largest cat and the 7th largest land predator in the world topping out at 300+, and humans are vulnerable and definitely on the menu. Along with the Longhorns football program, Africanized bees and the lack of SMB, WE, and YP in fisheries, it's yet another proof that anyone living in TX is crazy and solo encounters avoided at all costs. TJ, my lake home located in Marion Co. Texas and is 10 min from my farm property. Marion Co. has more Bigfoot reports than any other Co. in Texas. maybe, migration here also Tracy
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TJ, about 10 years ago we had 2 separate deer kills due to a mountain lion just over the dam of my large pond. My dad was scouting for deer season and he saw steam coming from a grass bed just below the dam. He walked over to check it out and a mountain lion ran off. Walked up to the steam and noticed it was coming from the hind quarters of a freshly killed buck (decent size). It was a pretty fascinating crime scene. The lion had jumped from a nearby tree onto the bucks back, slit it jugular, rode its back in circles for quite some time til it dropped, then began eating it. Several hundred yards down the creek we found a similar crime scene but the deer had been eaten down to the skeleton. That made for an interesting deer season knowing that you may be the hunted rather than the hunter.
Also had a confirmed sighting of 2 young cubs by my mother in law 7-8 years ago while deer hunting. Game warden came out and verified by looking at the tracks. Sightings were pretty common around here until disease killed most of the deer. Awesome!
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I'm with you Tony. Further I believe there exist resident populations of Jaguars in TX, NM, AZ - especially after watching a documentary where DNR officials were investigating reports of Jaguars coming up from Central America and Mexico with game cams, etc. While I don't fear Cougars, the Jaguar is the third largest cat and the 7th largest land predator in the world topping out at 300+, and humans are vulnerable and definitely on the menu. Along with the Longhorns football program, Africanized bees and the lack of SMB, WE, and YP in fisheries, it's yet another proof that anyone living in TX is crazy and solo encounters avoided at all costs. TJ, my lake home located in Marion Co. Texas and is 10 min from my farm property. Marion Co. has more Bigfoot reports than any other Co. in Texas. maybe, migration here also Tracy Tracy, don't get me started on Sasquatch. I'm impressed by your cougar sightings, and even happier you didn't make any efforts to shoot them. Now, if you could get in the field and collect some Squatch data for us, I'd be grateful! Photo of a Squatch walking a pet cougar on a leash made of willow twigs - this is your project.
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My X Va neighbor moved to rural TN about 18 months ago . I sent him this link. He replied yes, he reported sighting to the University who I presume is studying them. Says he has seen him twice. "Him ? you musta been close to ID sex. His reply was "15 feet to close."
We have had reports here of a black and also tan . But night time lighting makes tan objects look darker. No pics so far.
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Speaking of big mammals how about this elk harvested in Kentucky? http://bluegrasspreps.com/great-outdoors/new-record-ky-312998.html
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TJ, I have a story, no pics, just an experience. let me know if you want to hear it, It's a good Squach story, Some others were interested in it. Tracy
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