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Started some test mixing and spraying with hopes of getting rid of this stuff. Using a mixture of Crossbow, Cornerstone Plus and Haf-Pynt. Just going mfg suggested on the light side and will work up if needed. About 8hrs after spraying. (thought it was the 4hr pic)  About 48hrs, same spot.  Got a long ways to go.  Bunch of fern type plants that it takes a couple days to see the leaves start to shrivel up. How long before I can rip them out of the ground? I really want them to be all the way dead.
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Save yourself a lot of work and just mow 'em as close to the ground as possible in a few days.
The better the growing conditions for the plants, the faster the stuff works.
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Easier said than done. Not many places are free enough of stumps and limbs to get a mower in. I have to get this stuff out to even find the stumps. A few spots I can spray and run the box scraper thru it. What you see in the pics is only the tip of the iceberg. Gotta go to TSC and see if they have a couple pins that I can't find. Fun,'eh 
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Get a weed whacker with a blade on it. That will allow you to "thin the herd" to find the stumps.
TSC has a good assortment of pins - get extras to avoid a trip for a $2 part. (but you probably know that already!)
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My property was worse than that. I had a guy come out with a skidsteer that had a bush hog attachment on it. It made QUICK work of all that underbrush. Now I can easily spray as the brush starts to come back.
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These work even better than a brush hog if there are any trees or stumps. Some can take down and grind up a 12" dia tree. Bobcat with forestry cutter
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I am fighting a never ending battle with weeds and brush, all well away from the pond though. I sure wish there was a more economical alternative to Roundup that is as effective!
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FWIW, on our property the power company sprayed the brush in the right of way. Looks a lot the same as your patch. I am currently brush hogging it off, and just because the brush is dead, it doesn't make it any easier to see stumps. All the litter just covers them up.
Would agree with what others have said, knock it down and be done with it. I think you'd use a lot less chemicals, keeping after any new growth after cutting.... And sooner or later, it has to be cut down.
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I like 2,4-D......crossbow, or the generic crossroads work well for me. If you can get over the smell.
"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"
If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
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I like 2,4-D......crossbow, or the generic crossroads work well for me. If you can get over the smell. Where can you buy these? I don't ever see them at the big box stores?
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"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"
If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
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These work even better than a brush hog if there are any trees or stumps. Some can take down and grind up a 12" dia tree. Bobcat with forestry cutter Now, that would be just too easy. I checked a local rental place, but they don't have the attachment.
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I like 2,4-D......crossbow, or the generic crossroads work well for me. If you can get over the smell. Crossbow SMELLS like it works! Oh, and it lingers around for days!!
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Where can you buy these? I don't ever see them at the big box stores? I got the crossbow from a local co-op. I saw that the local TSC has crossbow, but they wanted $75.00/gallon. Kinda steep if you ask me.
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FWIW, on our property the power company sprayed the brush in the right of way. Looks a lot the same as your patch. I am currently brush hogging it off, and just because the brush is dead, it doesn't make it any easier to see stumps. All the litter just covers them up.
Would agree with what others have said, knock it down and be done with it. I think you'd use a lot less chemicals, keeping after any new growth after cutting.... And sooner or later, it has to be cut down. Yeah, I had to spray some areas, but I'll be knocking down as much as possible. Put the box scraper on yesterday and dropped the scarifiers as low as they would go. Knock it down with the bucket then rip it up with the scraper. Seems to work good. I know this will spread it a bit doing it this way, but can hit it with much less chemicals when new stuff emerges.
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What's nice about doing it that way is you can push the loose stuff into a pile to burn it. All without handling it!
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It isn't local, but Wakarusa Heavy Equipment Rental has one. 
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I like to hit areas that I do not want anything to grow with some roundup then come back in a day later with some atrazine. Now atriazine is very water soluble and will run off with water. Be aware that a heavy rain will move the product around on you.
Do not mix roundup with atrazine there is a chemical reaction that will negate the effectiveness of both. Spray them separate with some nitrogen and bang. Clean can clear for quite some time.
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Be aware, 2-4-D is available as amine or ester. One is more volatile than the other, but they can both drift off target, especially with low wind inversion conditions.
What that means is, if your neighbor (or wife) has sensitive plants anywhere near and conditions are such that drift is possible it can get you in trouble with some off target kills.
Forget which one is more volatile, but the more volatile version can volitize and drift off target up to a couple days after application.
Just remembered ----- LVE ---- low volatile ester is the less volatile type. Cotton plants are exceptionally sensitive, but so are some household plants.
Just an FYI. Good chemical and cheap, just have to use proper precautions.
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Be aware, 2-4-D is available as amine or ester. One is more volatile than the other, but they can both drift off target, especially with low wind inversion conditions.
What that means is, if your neighbor (or wife) has sensitive plants anywhere near and conditions are such that drift is possible it can get you in trouble with some off target kills.
Forget which one is more volatile, but the more volatile version can volitize and drift off target up to a couple days after application.
Just remembered ----- LVE ---- low volatile ester is the less volatile type. Cotton plants are exceptionally sensitive, but so are some household plants.
Just an FYI. Good chemical and cheap, just have to use proper precautions. We have seen that too. On a good hot day it can lift and float over to the neighbors soybeans. Ester formulations have higher vapor pressures and tend to volatilize more than amines. Cheers Don.
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These work even better than a brush hog if there are any trees or stumps. Some can take down and grind up a 12" dia tree. Bobcat with forestry cutter This is exactly what I used at my place in GA. I started out spraying and saw how long it was taking. Found a guy with one of these and paid him $400. In 3-4 hours EVERYTHING was mulch and I mean everything!! He even took down standing trees and turned them into mulch! Some of the best money I ever spent. EDIT: Did I mention I am heading West in 4 dayyyysss!!!! 
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Those are great. I had to clear a large area at a clients place and rented one for a week. 5 gal of diesel per hour is what it burned. It took everything down to about 1" below soil level and made it into mulch. It would have taken months to do it by hand.
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My property was worse than that. I had a guy come out with a skidsteer that had a bush hog attachment on it. It made QUICK work of all that underbrush. Now I can easily spray as the brush starts to come back. This is what I did over the weekend. Lots of brush with some down trees, stumps, brush piles, etc. mixed in. In those questionable areas, just take it slow. You'll know when you hit something it can't cut through. I was able to pull out everything but stumps by turning the blade off and just pushing or dragging it out with the bush hog.
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I've been poking around with the bucket low trying to figure out where some of this stuff is, which I kinda know where, just that memory can be fleeting at times.
The "patch" in my concern is about 8 acres, so not something one would want to spend a lot of money on chemicals to eradicate.
Spot treatments are advantageous where applicable, and I had to do a few, which seemed to work.
Only contacted one saw mill in the area which supplies pallet companies, and they pay by the delivered cord. (prices are higher than firewood)
I have much more work to do, but I have a bunch of Veneer quality trees...
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JKB, if they are truly veneer quality, I would get a forester in there to evaluate pronto. It has been my experience that true veneer quality trees are few and far between, but I haven't seen your woods either.
"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"
If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
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