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I've got the lions, now how about the gazelle?
#407035 04/07/15 03:15 PM
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Big old pond, went through tough times with the drought of 2012. Caught some LMB and two (2) BG in 2013. I don't think that I got a single bite all of last year. Saw no small fry around the edges, no BG spawning beds like I used to.

Wife and I went out yesterday afternoon for a couple of hours. Caught five LMB, two hot dog size, the other three 3-4 pounds. Three crappie, two of which were about 12 inch, the biggest ones we've ever caught in this pond and one palm sized BG.
While I am relieved that there are still fish in this pond, I'm still concerned about forage.
What can I do to increase the forage that will get a chance to reproduce and not go right down the throat of a LMB or crappie?

Re: I've got the lions, now how about the gazelle?
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Hey Bullhead,

What do you have for vegetation and structure? Please provide a few pond details like size and depth. What are your goals?

I am sure the experts will need at least that basic info to give opinions.

Bill D.

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Re: I've got the lions, now how about the gazelle?
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It's 12 to 15 acres. It might be 10 feet deep in some areas but most of it is probably 4 to 6. Being that shallow it has about every type of vegetation imaginable, FA, pond weed, coontail, lily pads, cat tails on the shallow end.

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Adding adult bluegill, but that might get expensive in a pond that size.

Re: I've got the lions, now how about the gazelle?
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Once it warms up a bit do some seine surveys, if you need help let me know.



Re: I've got the lions, now how about the gazelle?
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I agree with Shorty, a better sampling of fish that are there should be helpful. Hopefully, some of the PBF experts will be along to bring some of their experience to the qustion.


Originally Posted By: Bullhead
Wife and I went out yesterday afternoon for a couple of hours. Caught five LMB, two hot dog size, the other three 3-4 pounds. Three crappie, two of which were about 12 inch, the biggest ones we've ever caught in this pond and one palm sized BG.


So you have plenty of good fish. Sounds like you have a good fishery already but, if you want to add forage.....

In that case, IMHO, with all that vegetation, I would add papershell crawfish (if you dun already have crawfish), grass shrimp and a whole bunch of GSH.

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My fear is that the predators are living off the predators. If Lion King II has taught us anything, it's that this is not sustainable. The whole circle of life thing you know.

Re: I've got the lions, now how about the gazelle?
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How is your water clarity and color? Do you see any small fish in the shallows?

My questions are to try to get an idea of the health of the bottom of your forage food chain, the plankton. IMHO Without a good base there, your new spawn BG, etc will have a poor survival rate.

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Re: I've got the lions, now how about the gazelle?
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Richard

Stock adult BG. I have some for you. You need females.

Take up Steve on seining offer. I'd also suggest considering adult GSH stocking - largest you can source. I have access to adults 4-6" just need to make some calls. Let me know - happy to help. This will relieve some pressure off your BG. Consider placing a feeder to help BG growth.

Pond is old and eutrophied - I suspect you have plenty of organic material/nutrient loads to pull off phytoplankton and zooplankton blooms - so I think you're ok there.

I wonder if your neighbors are placing significant pressure on BG by heavy harvest?


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Re: I've got the lions, now how about the gazelle?
Bullhead #407272 04/09/15 08:18 AM
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I doubt that the neighbors are putting too much pressure on the bluegills. One neighbor fishes for crappie a couple of times in the spring and other than that I just very rarely see anyone out there.

I think the problem all stems from 2012 when it lost probably at least half of its water.

I can't imagine trying to seine it. It's so big, mucky, weedy and there are no obvious points or narrow spots to corner the fish.
Still it can be a lot of fun to cruise around in my $100 boat and fish it, so I'd like to bring it back and keep it healthy.

I'll contact the usual suspects and look for the largest BG and GSH available.

Re: I've got the lions, now how about the gazelle?
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I have some BG for you - unless you prefer to pay for them. I'm happy to help supplement your order - I'm collecting fish this Spring just in case I needed to help a buddy out. You're a buddy.

My friend owns a MN hatchery who makes runs to KS often where the nearest GSH hatcheries are. Let me know if I can help and ask him to grab some on the next run.

Lastly - I have a fyke net that would help provide a sample of fish. Pretty easy to deploy from a boat. Scott and I used it on my place a few times - did pretty well.

Here to help, let me know.


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Re: I've got the lions, now how about the gazelle?
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I'll take whatever blue gills you can spare and see what you can find out about the shiners.
I'll call you later to see if we can set up a fyke net excursion, though I'm not sure how the results would affect what we do.
Maybe as a way of thanks I can bring my Cat over some day and knock over a tree or dig a hole.

Re: I've got the lions, now how about the gazelle?
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I'll keep collecting, I'll select all females for you, that's what you need. I'll call my guy on the GSH and see what we can do.

Fyke net is here for you anytime you want. It's a great sampling tool.

You don't owe me anything - you are family - I'm happy to help. If you are looking to play on the equipment, however, you bet I could use a hole someday.

Keep in touch...we'll set up whatever you need, amigo. Will let you know on GSH. Feed your BG!


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