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Re: BCP MANAGEMENT IDEAS
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Sometimes fish, often bigger fish, will congregate in the deepest portion of the pond especially during winter.


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Re: BCP MANAGEMENT IDEAS
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Try any night time fishing?

Do you know your water surface temps?

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That might be part of it also, that is the only place that I'm catching the small 7-8" ones. Mnfish Have not tried at nites yet, how would you fish them? 57 deg on the surface 52 at 3'

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High 50's I like live bait/slip bobber set up; suspended over deeper water right about or after sun down (warmest water in low light). 6-12" below the surface

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You fish in deep water close to surface6-12"?

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They are more active in the warmer water and less spooky on the top water in the low light.

Keep in mind...I have zero experience with Texas fishing and it may not apply!

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Pat, in the big lakes in E. Texas the crappie are usually very deep this time of year. To 45' depths, but who know this year, crazy weather.

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Guess just have to keep trying and by spring I should know.....just so different than last winter

Re: BCP MANAGEMENT IDEAS
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Subject for discussion....

A recent issue of PBM provides that "small" test ponds initially stocked with TFS, GSH and FHM and later with BCP and HSB have resulted in nice size BCP with minimal recruitment and nice HSB.

Has the magic formula been found for raising BCP in smaller BOWs? If maybe, what is so special about this stocking plan that makes it so effective?

In the long term, will the test ponds potentially be over run with GSH?

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Originally Posted By: Bill D.
Subject for discussion....

A recent issue of PBM provides that "small" test ponds initially stocked with TFS, GSH and FHM and later with BCP and HSB have resulted in nice size BCP with minimal recruitment and nice HSB.

Has the magic formula been found for raising BCP in smaller BOWs? If maybe, what is so special about this stocking plan that makes it so effective?

In the long term, will the test ponds potentially be over run with GSH?


And how critical are the TFS to the mix? They won't survive up here.

Re: BCP MANAGEMENT IDEAS
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Yes that is a plan that has been reported here in the archive crappie thread. Still early but so far so good .
TFS are a key food source in the plan . You might be able to sub in another member of the herring family but who knows if it will work .
















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Originally Posted By: ewest
Yes that is a plan that has been reported here in the archive crappie thread. Still early but so far so good .
TFS are a key food source in the plan . You might be able to sub in another member of the herring family but who knows if it will work .


ewest, when you say another member of the herring family, should the fish as an adult be approximately the same size as adult TFS?


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Is it the GSH predation of the BCP eggs and fry that keeps the BCP recruitment low or something else?


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ewest, when you say another member of the herring family, should the fish as an adult be approximately the same size as adult TFS?


That would be best so in other words the least favorable option would be GShad.
















Re: BCP MANAGEMENT IDEAS
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Originally Posted By: Bill D.
Is it the GSH predation of the BCP eggs and fry that keeps the BCP recruitment low or something else?


It may be part of the reason but GSH do not eat that many eggs. My guess is the HSB really pound the small crappie. I am sure its a combination of several factors many of which we don't know due to the limited info and time. Really pushing the cutting edge on much of this.

For example one factor may be that many of the yoy crappie die due to starvation because the GSH and TFS eat all the right size plankton/inverts etc leaving none/little for the yoy crappie while in a pre piscivore stage.

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Can't add much to the management equation but just thought I'd throw this in there. caught this 16 1/4" little over 2 lb BCP this past Friday. They were stocked 4 years ago. caught 4 over 14" out of 24 I kept for the freezer. The rest were in the 10-11" range.


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Wow what a slab! Beautiful fish to say the least.i hope to see some that size in the next year or so!

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Beautiful fish!

I see your pond is 3/4 acre. Any signs of crappie over populating or stunting in your pond? What other species are in the pond?

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Nice fish ! What is the history of the pond?
















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Bill D. I need to update that I guess. That was a pond I had built at our previous residence. We have since sold that and live (In a pole barn, House in future)on 36 acres with a 10 acre pond. I have not gotten to the point of measuring and weighing all of my fish yet. But right now the fishing is good. I don't believe I've had a boom spawn yet. Too many plans to list and too many project's always in the way. Also not near enough money to go around. Other than the BCP it has LMB , BG , HBG , and GSF in it. Thanks Rob.


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Nice crappie!!

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esshup , They aint hurtin me too bad really. I'm very pleased with there survival rate. I'll have to re-visit my post on that and do some before and after pics. You got a good memory scott.


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Originally Posted By: ewest
Nice fish ! What is the history of the pond?


ewest , Built in 2006 (Not by me) We purchased in 2010. Realtor said "Fully Stocked" Previous owner said " My boys threw some bluegills in here from one of my other ponds". Seemed be overrun with GSF at the time. Thought I would kill it and start over. Didn't happen. I put about 25 6-8" LMB in from my pond. I let a buddy put 50 2" BCP in. Both in the Spring of 2011. Still thinking I would kill and start over.Had pretty thick Southern Niad. Put 30 Grass Carp in spring 2012. They have since wiped it out. Too much so. That pretty much is where its at. Catching Bass up to about 6 lbs now. Crappie seem to have not overrun YET. Still catch a few descent BG and the occasional GSF.


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Thanks for the data. Do you see/catch many smaller BC ? What about small LMB?
















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