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I have a confession to make.

I'm a big, fat liar.

I've told hundreds of people over the years that I know absolutely nothing about control of aquatic vegetation. I'm thankful for people who know lots about this, but my brain is full with fish knowledge, and I have no desire to discuss vegetation control with other pondmeisters. I actually know just enough to be dangerous, but I tell people that (in the words of Sgt. Shulz) "I KNOW NOTHINK"!!

Anyway, I have a neighbor with a 1/2 acre pond who has about 30% of the shoreline overrun with cattails. He wants to spray it himself, but I'd like to know any other forum member's opinion on a single application herbicide that would nuke this crap.

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I used round up on mine last year in three different spots then after it died I burnt it all down now this year two of the spots are coming back but the third one is not probably the best thing to do is pull them up by hand I read on here about the round up so I tried it

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Originally Posted By: bassmower
I used round up on mine last year in three different spots then after it died I burnt it all down now this year two of the spots are coming back but the third one is not probably the best thing to do is pull them up by hand I read on here about the round up so I tried it


Thanks! Let's get as many comments as we can here, so I can archive this!


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I have also used roundup and it worked very well and it didn't kill any fish but i was very careful and tried to keep as much as i could out of the pond.

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I use Shore Clear with Cygnet adjuvant and it does a good job. They are both cleared for aquatic control. It would be very difficult to do a good job spraying cattails and not get a significant amount of the spray in the water. Roundup is definitely NOT cleared for aquatic use. Killing fish is not the only harm chemicals can do to your water.

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If the cattails are thick and extend a ways out into the water it will be hard to get them all in a single treatment. Getting good herbicide coverage on everything is the issue. Rodeo and the right surfactant works well but it is very likely he will need to retreat anything that got missed in three to five weeks.



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Why not stay away from harsh chemicals and go the organic route?

Introduce muskrats and snapping turtles to the pond. They both eat cattails.

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Cattplex works well and is cheaper than round up and is fish, pet and people safe. 53.8% Glysophate and Round up super Concentrate is 50.3%
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Be sure to use a glyphosate formulation that is labeled for use near water bodies.

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Originally Posted By: Shelby County
Roundup is definitely NOT cleared for aquatic use.


+1

If it's not listed on the label as safe to use in the water and you do, and bad things happen, then there's the possibility of being liable. The label is law, if it isn't rated for pond use, then it hasn't been tested in ponds.

Round-up is at the most what, 53% Glyphosate? What's the other 47%? (That's the part that is not rated for pond use.)

Bruce:

Either dig them up with heavy equipment or spray them with an 8% glyphosate mix with 1-2 oz of non-ionic surfactant added to each gallon of tank mix. Wet them to just to the point of herbicide run-off, trying to wet as much of the growing cattails as possible. If he pays attention to how he's spraying, and gets 'em all, then they should all die. Like what was said, it might take 2-3 applications, depending on how good he is with the sprayer.

Add 1-2 ounces of pond dye to the sprayer to see what was sprayed if a little blue dye doesn't bother him. (either in the water or on him, depending on how careful he is)


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I've been treating my cattails for 7 years using glyphosate without issues, but Scott's buffered method with surfactant might be safer. Definitely cheaper and less invasive than mechanical removal. I also think it's a more effective long range control method.


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Scott's method is great! Did the job 100% kill on two stands. Now have 2 new stands in another area, gonna go whack-a-mole soon.

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Shore-klear that comes with a surfactant mixed in. Usually two applications are required. Once they turn yellow whack them off with a weed cutter and rake them in. Then discard.


If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.






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I kinda like Cattails.

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Originally Posted By: JKB
I kinda like Cattails.


Most cats are kinda partial to them too!


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Cover Them up with large rocks?


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Cecil, can ya be specific as to what is the exact name of what you're referring to? I googled and came up with three different kinds and am not sure which has the surfactant blended in. Probably the one that is $95.65 plus $15 s&h a qt. YIKES!!!


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Originally Posted By: esshup
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I kinda like Cattails.


Most cats are kinda partial to them too!


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Originally Posted By: esshup
...Add 1-2 ounces of pond dye to the sprayer to see what was sprayed if a little blue dye doesn't bother him. (either in the water or on him, depending on how careful he is)


I'm using pasture dye or pond dye on every spray tank now. I was surprised how much coverage I missed.


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Thanks everybody so far...

I'm not looking for a resolution, or a "best" answer, but merely a collection of different strategies and viewpoints.


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Originally Posted By: Bob-O
Cecil, can ya be specific as to what is the exact name of what you're referring to? I googled and came up with three different kinds and am not sure which has the surfactant blended in. Probably the one that is $95.65 plus $15 s&h a qt. YIKES!!!


Just went down and looked at the container. My apologies it's called Shoreklear-Plus which as I said has the surfactant mixed in. I got it either are Tractor Supply Comapany (TSC) or Rural King. Can't remember which.

O.K. it must have been TSC:

http://www.tractorsupply.com/webapp/wcs/...mp;cm_vc=-10005


If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.






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FYI, I get Shoreklear at Rural King, and it's $20 a gallon cheaper then at TSC.

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"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
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Originally Posted By: sprkplug
FYI, I get Shoreklear at Rural King, and it's $20 a gallon cheaper then at TSC.


Is it the Shoreklear-plus or the regular Shoreklear?


If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.






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Originally Posted By: Cecil Baird1
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FYI, I get Shoreklear at Rural King, and it's $20 a gallon cheaper then at TSC.


Is it the Shoreklear-plus or the regular Shoreklear?


It's the plus formulation. Also, TSC has Cutrine plus for $59.99, and it's $34.99 at Rural King. $29.99 when you catch it on sale. wink


"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
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Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
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Tony,

Just bought some more Aquashade at TSC for just under $50.00. I normally get it from Scot but I was in a hurry and I think he's out of the state right now.

Good to know there are better prices if you know where to shop.


If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.






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