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Please tell me how to improve or if it is worthless. I had to put it in an Excel file to get it to attach since it's a Powerpoint drawing. Basically, this 10 x 10 structure will lay on the bottom of my pond in water about 4 feet deep and will be similar to plants/weeds.

Please critique and tell me how to improve.

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I think I would prefer several layers; probably staggered.


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It took me a second, but I think I have the design figured out.

I think it'll work. If you use the black tubing that Omaha used, that's the stuff that they normally use for drip irrigation. It won't be straight, it'll be curved like Omaha shows in his picture.

I'm assuming that the black PVC will be coming up from the bottom. You are showing a side view of the grid that lays on the pond bottom, correct?

Every 6" might be too close together. If you start getting Algae growing on it, it might grow together and create a solid block. It'll be interesting to see what others think.


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Actually it's an overhead view. It will lay flat on the bottom with a block under each corner. The tubes will point up from the bottom of the pond but at an angle. They will bend slightly.

It will basically be a large square on the bottom with tubes pointing upward but with a 45 degree angle. It will try to emulate grass or weeds growing up from the bottom of the pond. Does this make since?

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I like the design. It is a shorter version of the vertical stake bed, but instead yours are at 45deg instead of vertical. . It can be adjusted as to how dense it is by spreading apart the rows of 1.5" dia PVC. What type of hose are you going to use? And how will you affix the hose to the 1.5" dia PVC - glue? What will prevent rooted weeds from growing on the bottom and upward among the arms and cross members?


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Have holes in all pvc so water can get in and air out. Have it so you can attach a few cross pieces to the hoses. Vary the hose length so some are higher (example all center pieces a foot longer - a 3-D effect - not a flat top).
















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Originally Posted By: Bill Cody
I like the design. It is a shorter version of the vertical stake bed, but instead yours are at 45deg instead of vertical. . It can be adjusted as to how dense it is by spreading apart the rows of 1.5" dia PVC. What type of hose are you going to use? And how will you affix the hose to the 1.5" dia PVC - glue? What will prevent rooted weeds from growing on the bottom and upward among the arms and cross members?


Do you think it is too dense the way it is currently designed?

I'm not sure what type of hose to use. Any recomendations? I'll need a lot of hose so something cheap would be great. I'm thinking about using this Hose/tubing I'm thinking about drilling holes through the PVC and puting the hose in. The holes will be small such that it's a tight fit for the hose. Then I could apply glue around the hose.

Currently there are no weeds in the pond and our HOA controls the weeds. This is why I like this design...it will memmick the weeds but it wont be seen from above so the HOA wont care.


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Have holes in all pvc so water can get in and air out.


The hose will be in the PVC holes so aire should be able to escape easily.

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Have it so you can attach a few cross pieces to the hoses. Vary the hose length so some are higher (example all center pieces a foot longer - a 3-D effect - not a flat top).


I'm not sure what you mean here. How would I attach cross peices to the hoses?

How would making the center peices a foot longer create a 3D effect?

I'm thinking about making the hose located furthest from the bank a little longer. This will make it such that the hose is about 3 feet below the water at full pool to allow more water fluctuations. Making the hose further out longer will offset the downward slope of the pond.

Thanks for your help! It's hard to explain based off a sketch but I wanted to run this past you guys first since it will be pretty expensive.

Thanks again!


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The hose will be in the PVC holes so air should be able to escape easily.

Leave the pvc ends uncapped. Any air will make it hard to sink straight.

I'm not sure what you mean here. How would I attach cross pieces to the hoses?

Cable ties are easy and cheap.

How would making the center pieces a foot longer create a 3D effect?

Try to avoid a flat top (parallel to the water surface). Have the middle hoses stick up a foot more than the outside pieces. Irregular shaped structure works better IMO than cubes and boxes.
















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I'm not sure what you mean here. How would I attach cross peices to the hoses?

They make 1/4" micro poly tubing too, that could be used for the horizontal pieces like branches.


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I'm not sure what you mean here. How would I attach cross peices to the hoses?

They make 1/4" micro poly tubing too, that could be used for the horizontal pieces like branches.


All of the horizontal peices are PVC. If I make those 1/4" poly tubing how will I get the 1/2" tubing into it?


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Originally Posted By: ewest

I'm not sure what you mean here. How would I attach cross pieces to the hoses?

Cable ties are easy and cheap.


Why would I need to use cable ties on the hoses? I'm not sure what that would do for me? Thanks!


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Originally Posted By: jmed999
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I'm not sure what you mean here. How would I attach cross peices to the hoses?

They make 1/4" micro poly tubing too, that could be used for the horizontal pieces like branches.


All of the horizontal peices are PVC. If I make those 1/4" poly tubing how will I get the 1/2" tubing into it?


I was talking about putting some of the 1/4" tubing thru the 1/2" tubing to create branches. It's very flexible, so it shouldn't pose a lure hang-up risk.


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I think I would prefer several layers; probably staggered.


Several layers of what? Thanks for yoru reply!


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I am talking about attaching small pvc or tubing half to 2/3 of the way up hooking some of the tubes together. Results in more horizontal structure plus much more stable and solid. The ties would be used to hook tubes to cross pieces and they too would be like branches.
















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Originally Posted By: ewest
I am talking about attaching small pvc or tubing half to 2/3 of the way up hooking some of the tubes together. Results in more horizontal structure plus much more stable and solid. The ties would be used to hook tubes to cross pieces and they too would be like branches.



I got ya....so the "cross peices" would keep the hose/tubing from drooping quite as much and provide more horizontal structure, right?

It wouldn't weigh the hose down more causing it to droop more would it?

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Yes that is the idea.

I assume the cross pieces would be very light weight (smaller than the pvc bottom). You could attach pvc support pieces from the bottom pvc/frame to the cross pieces to be sure they held everything up. No drooping then. I would run the cross pieces perpendicular to the bottom pvc. You could use 3 way couplings in the pvc bottom to stick the support pieces into.

















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