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Re: Alum kicks clay's butt....again!!!
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Maybe they are all too fat.. They certainly got their share of corn up at the deer feeder. It's part of my test for the "new and improved" AquaPro feeder. So far so good. It's been working like a champ, for a whole month and a half. So far tip proof, and climb proof. (Knock on wood)


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I think that's about all I should put in my little pond.
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Good article on clearing muddy water.

CONTROL of CLAY TURBIDITY IN POND

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Has anyone used Cottonseed Meal in small ponds to clear muddy water? If yes ..... Were you successful?

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Trying to stay away from the Aluminum and it's side effects.


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Originally Posted By: Dennis in SC
Trying to stay away from the Aluminum and it's side effects.


What side effects? None known I am aware of. The only "myth" I have ever even heard of was a long since and repeatedly debunked claim of a link to Alzheimer's.

Cottonseed hulls and some other ionically positive charged organics, like Barley straw, can sometimes work, but also add MASSIVE amounts of biological waste (detritus) to the pond that would normally take years to accumulate.

Alum and Hydrated Lime, applied properly are entirely safe and have no known dangers or residual problems....it's (in one form or another) in most all municipalities drinking water and countless canned vegetables.

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What side effects? None known I am aware of. The only "myth" I have ever even heard of was a long since and repeatedly debunked claim of a link to Alzheimer's.
But Rex, I ran across a very concerning article on the Internet that said ..... wink
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On a side-note, I've always wondered how such substances are "linked" to one human malady or another.
Does someone poll a test-group of individuals who share a specific illness or condition in an attempt to determine the SINGLE exposure-variable that they all have in common - while ignoring all other exposure or genetic possibilities? Think about that for a second....
What if the afflicted individuals in such a test-group had an undisclosed genetic predisposition for a reactive skin-response to sunlight radiation (ie. red heads), but because those individuals are found to use a certain type of soap while bathing, the soap is "linked" as a causal-agent for their tendency to sunburn? Sounds legit... crazy

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Kelly, I still remember how eggs and shrimp would kill us dead because cholesterol. Now we know better.

The only thing I fear at all from my pond is blue-green algae, which actually has been shown to be toxic under certain conditions.

Well, that and swimming with GSF! eek

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^ So true. I've learned to always question the phrase "linked to". Too often, it is an attempt to create unwarranted concern; most likely to serve an ulterior motivation.

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HELP FINDING POWDER ALUM - TRIED HELNA CHEMICALS IN GREENVILLE - THEY BLEW ME OFF SAYING I HAD TO BE AN 'INDUSTRIAL USER' -

ANY IDEAS FROM ANYONE - I NEED IT ULTIMATELY TO USE IT NEAR PARIS TEXAS

THANKS

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HELP FINDING POWDER ALUM - TRIED HELNA CHEMICALS IN GREENVILLE - THEY BLEW ME OFF SAYING I HAD TO BE AN 'INDUSTRIAL USER' -

ANY IDEAS FROM ANYONE - I NEED IT ULTIMATELY TO USE IT NEAR PARIS TEXAS

THANKS

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I'd try another location. I called one in my area they said they have never heard of it. Another one in OK said they had it.

https://www.helenachemical.com/ and click on locations:

1 Honey Grove (TX)
15158 E Highway 56
Rt 2 Box 28
Honey Grove, TX 75446
903-378-7391

2 Whitewright (TX)
1110 Bond Street
Whitewright, TX 75491
903-364-5675

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After reading this I thought I would ck here locally so I checked with them at their office in Gillum La. (just north of Shreveport) and they had not herd of Alum sulfate and did not know where I might find any.

Todd Overton(Overtons Fishery) told me he has the Alum if I decided to use it.

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How did you calculate how much alum and lime to use?

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SueL, click on the forum list at the top of this page. There is a lot of information listed under muddy water. No answer for you right now because "it depends" like many other things here. Hope this helps


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It should be noted, if you use alum in your water, never do so without first monitoring your waters pH and alkalinity. It isn't enough to do it just once and start dispensing, KNOW your waters pH and alkalinity.

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Re: Alum kicks clay's butt....again!!!
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Originally Posted By: Rainman
Originally Posted By: Dennis in SC
Trying to stay away from the Aluminum and it's side effects.


What side effects? None known I am aware of. The only "myth" I have ever even heard of was a long since and repeatedly debunked claim of a link to Alzheimer's.

Cottonseed hulls and some other ionically positive charged organics, like Barley straw, can sometimes work, but also add MASSIVE amounts of biological waste (detritus) to the pond that would normally take years to accumulate.

Alum and Hydrated Lime, applied properly are entirely safe and have no known dangers or residual problems....it's (in one form or another) in most all municipalities drinking water and countless canned vegetables.


The science is definitive, aluminum is an endocrine disruptor. How much will impact your fishery? Undetermined. It will remain in your pond longer than you will. The real extent is unknown, mostly for the reason, why pay millions to study it? Would Glaxo Smith pay millions to prove echinacea cures the common cold?


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Originally Posted By: Joey Quarry
Originally Posted By: Rainman
Originally Posted By: Dennis in SC
Trying to stay away from the Aluminum and it's side effects.


What side effects? None known I am aware of. The only "myth" I have ever even heard of was a long since and repeatedly debunked claim of a link to Alzheimer's.

Cottonseed hulls and some other ionically positive charged organics, like Barley straw, can sometimes work, but also add MASSIVE amounts of biological waste (detritus) to the pond that would normally take years to accumulate.

Alum and Hydrated Lime, applied properly are entirely safe and have no known dangers or residual problems....it's (in one form or another) in most all municipalities drinking water and countless canned vegetables.


The science is definitive, aluminum is an endocrine disruptor. How much will impact your fishery? Undetermined. It will remain in your pond longer than you will. The real extent is unknown, mostly for the reason, why pay millions to study it? Would Glaxo Smith pay millions to prove echinacea cures the common cold?


Aluminum in the pond is inert at a pH of 5.4 and above...science is not at all "definitive" on being an endocrine disruptor....science"suggests it MIGHT be....

From NIH.gov......"Aluminum and acidic water pH exposure caused no ionoregulatory disturbances. ... We suggest that aluminum can be considered an endocrine disrupting compound in mature O. niloticus females."

Aluminum will dissolve in acidic water at ~5.4 pH....then it can be toxic to fish....but, so is that acidic water when it begins dissolving gill tissue.....Alum is considered a very safe water treatment, and has been used for millenia

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Back when we used my mother's hand me down aluminum pots, I was a champion sex fiend for my wife. Buy, doggone, I just realized it was after retiring those pans that things started slowing down.


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Back when we used my mother's hand me down aluminum pots, I was a champion sex fiend for my wife. Buy, doggone, I just realized it was after retiring those pans that things started slowing down.


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What is the BEST time of year to treat with alum? My pond is near 4 foot low right now and cool weather with winter coming on. I have 1 inch visibility!! I did jar tests and it is definantly suspended clay. Also...I lost another VERY NICE lmb yesterday. 6 pounds 2 oz. and only 20 inch long!! I think that is 135% relative weight. Should I or can I do a alum treatment now?


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TJ and I were just talking about this 2 days ago... we couldn't really come up with a reason to NOT treat it this time of year and if the water level is down, well, less Alum required.
My problem is being absolutely sure what the issue is.. Mechanical or otherwise.

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Flame...I have treated waters with temps over 90 degrees and just after using prop wash to melt 3 inch thick ice cover (~35)...Both turned out well...I guess the "best" time of year is when YOU are ready! wink

Snipe, in the other Alum thread, you said after ice out, your pond was clear...Your question is answered! Your turbidity issue is a mechanical issue. Unless you know no bullhead or common carp are in the pond, it is wind wave action and rip rap need to be deeper on the prevailing wind side of the pond. If aerated, a diffuser may be tipped over or does not have a large enough base to prevent bottom scouring

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My biggest problem is algal in nature Rex.. I keep pumping pond water out to water grass and straight well water back in. My entire pond is riprap.. all around and 4-5' down.
Part of our problem in western KS this last summer was fall-out from the colorado fires, it just supercharged the nutrient loads everywhere out here.

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