Pond Boss Magazine
https://www.pondboss.com/images/userfiles/image/20130301193901_6_150by50orangewhyshouldsubscribejpeg.jpg
Advertisment
Newest Members
Mrnot111, pondbear, N.C.PondJoe, LloydLusk, Catch N 8 NTex
18,579 Registered Users
Forum Statistics
Forums36
Topics41,093
Posts559,489
Members18,580
Most Online3,612
Jan 10th, 2023
Top Posters
esshup 28,705
ewest 21,546
Cecil Baird1 20,043
Bill Cody 15,196
Who's Online Now
5 members (4CornersPuddle, Bill Cody, catscratch, Chadsnider, Sunil), 805 guests, and 354 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
#19526 11/28/06 02:05 PM
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 121
I
Member
OP Offline
Member
I
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 121
The breeding rate of GSF to BG. As some of you know I am fighting a situation which has allowed a very large population of GSF with very few if any BG. I plan on stocking BG again...however only after I get the numbers down on the GSF. We have added over 500 LMB in the 5-8" over the last year. The pond is roughly 3 acres. I was told by someone that the GSF do not breed as often.


Bullheads and Carp are the devil~
#19527 11/28/06 02:32 PM
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 3,261
D
Ambassador
Lunker
Offline
Ambassador
Lunker
D
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 3,261
although the common fish primer (which mr. condello so painstakingly created and placed under the archives for us.....thanks for yer efforts bruce) lists a "high fecundity" for both BG and GSF, i have heard here from others in threads long long ago (ewest?, bill cody?) that GSF fecundity is not as high as BG, so in addition to GSF having big mouths :rolleyes: they are not as good a forage for LMB because they are more prone to having missing year classes as a result of LMB predation.......wow, that was a mouthful from me.......how wrong am i? experts?


GSF are people too!

#19528 11/28/06 02:44 PM
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 121
I
Member
OP Offline
Member
I
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 121
I hope you are not wrong at all! The sooner I can get the GSF under control the sooner I can put in the better forage BG. Right now the competition would be way to much for the BG and would more than likely get stunted due to lack of food. I may have to add the GSF to my hate signature below my posts. I am hoping by spring I will see a drastic cut in the GSF population.


Bullheads and Carp are the devil~
#19529 11/28/06 03:25 PM
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 13,816
Likes: 316
Moderator
Ambassador
Field Correspondent
Hall of Fame 2014
Lunker
Online Content
Moderator
Ambassador
Field Correspondent
Hall of Fame 2014
Lunker
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 13,816
Likes: 316
I don't know if DIED is right or wrong, but I believe that GSF don't have spawning problems; I think it's Hybrid Bluegill that don't spawn as much as standard Bluegill.

The bigger problem with GSF is the size of the mouth as DIED says. (Anyone correct me where I'm wrong).

As Ill-Horn's LMB get bigger, they will help put a hurting on the GSF.


Excerpt from Robert Crais' "The Monkey's Raincoat:"
"She took another microscopic bite of her sandwich, then pushed it away. Maybe she absorbed nutrients from her surroundings."

#19530 11/28/06 05:07 PM
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 21,546
Likes: 283
E
Moderator
Hall of Fame 2014
Lunker
Offline
Moderator
Hall of Fame 2014
Lunker
E
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 21,546
Likes: 283
BG (80 M) are more prolific than GSF( 2-10 M) and these are yearly rates (number of spawns in some locations BG spawn many times [? rolling spawn]}. BG have been documented to be 279 times more prolific than HBG in Mich. ponds which equates to HBG fecundity in the few hundred per year range with high % being male (90%). As a general matter BG are bigger and more prolific than GSF. HBG (BG X GSF) exhibit in the F1 generation hybrid vigor wrt aggressiveness and early growth (bigger mouth). BG with its high reproduction rate have a tendency to stunt especially if unmanaged in northern ponds. GSF are generally small 3-4in. and in unmanaged northern ponds it is not unusual to have small GSF an stunted BG about the same size.

Try to find adult BG to stock , let the LMB work on the small GSF , HBG and BG. Also trap , seine , electrofish or partial rotenone can be used to reduce small lepomis. For my 2 cents catching , trapping , seining and LMB will get the job done. In addition add adult BG (to big for LMB to eat) not only will they reproduce they will help inhibit the spawning of too young BG which should help with BG stunting. The adults should have enough to eat as they will dominate the small BG and GSF plus the diets are somewhat different. Supp. feeding can help a lot.
















#19531 11/28/06 06:32 PM
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 14,044
Likes: 301
Moderator
Lunker
Online Confused
Moderator
Lunker
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 14,044
Likes: 301
IIRC GSF only spawn once a year, versus the multiple spawning times for BG. This contributes to the numerical disparity ewest cites.


"Live like you'll die tomorrow, but manage your grass like you'll live forever."
-S. M. Stirling
[Linked Image from i.pinimg.com]
#19532 11/28/06 08:00 PM
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 121
I
Member
OP Offline
Member
I
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 121
Thanks for the info folks....I am very glad to hear this. Now I need to focus on getting some larger BG this spring to throw in the pond. The problem with this pond in the past was no one was really paying attention to what was in it or coming out of it for that matter. Over the last year I have taken what I understand from you folks to be the right path. The LMB that I have been catching are full bellied...so I am sure they are doing their job. Man I would love to get some of those Georgia Giants in our pond. Just to see the look on the kids faces when they caught them would be worth it. However since we do not regualate fishing everyone and their brother would be in there fishing.


Bullheads and Carp are the devil~
#19533 11/29/06 11:14 AM
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 3,261
D
Ambassador
Lunker
Offline
Ambassador
Lunker
D
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 3,261
Theo, i think we manage at least two GSF spawns here in sunny CA.....prob cause it stays warm well into October most years.


GSF are people too!

#19534 11/29/06 01:03 PM
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 417
B
Lunker
Offline
Lunker
B
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 417
Another idiot trying to remember something. I'm pretty sure that the reason GSF are so prolific is because they are so aggressive on the beds. That's why they overpopulate even though thier fecundity (did I spell and use that right?) is low.

#19535 11/29/06 01:15 PM
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 121
I
Member
OP Offline
Member
I
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 121
Brian I believe you are right as far as them being aggressive. I have heard that large numbers of adult BG will control the spawning areas....thus helping to lower the GSF population.


Bullheads and Carp are the devil~

Link Copied to Clipboard
Today's Birthdays
benji havens
Recent Posts
Poor preachers pond
by Sunil - 06/20/24 05:50 PM
curly leaf infestation
by esshup - 06/20/24 05:30 PM
New YP/SMB Pond in MI - Plan
by esshup - 06/20/24 05:21 PM
Semi Trash Pump
by FireIsHot - 06/20/24 03:28 PM
Some nice pumpkins seeds yesterday
by ewest - 06/20/24 08:43 AM
Rotary Vane Capacitor issue?
by fozzybear - 06/20/24 07:22 AM
Duckweed Removal Solved!
by esshup - 06/19/24 11:40 PM
Golden Shiners - What size to stock?
by Bill Cody - 06/19/24 07:32 PM
alligator eating my fish food
by lafarmpondguy - 06/19/24 07:29 PM
Need Help Identifying!! Thanks
by Snipe - 06/18/24 11:07 PM
Windmill System Suggestions
by Bill Cody - 06/18/24 08:20 PM
Aerator Run Time
by Snipe - 06/18/24 06:33 PM
Newly Uploaded Images
Eagles Over The Pond Yesterday
Eagles Over The Pond Yesterday
by Tbar, December 10
Deer at Theo's 2023
Deer at Theo's 2023
by Theo Gallus, November 13
Minnow identification
Minnow identification
by Mike Troyer, October 6
Sharing the Food
Sharing the Food
by FishinRod, September 9
Nice BGxRES
Nice BGxRES
by Theo Gallus, July 28
Snake Identification
Snake Identification
by Rangersedge, July 12

� 2014 POND BOSS INC. all rights reserved USA and Worldwide

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5