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When is the right time to stock threadfin shad? I have a newly renovated 6 acre lake and the bluegill should be here any day. I will only be stocking bluegill and bass with the goal of producing large bass. What would be realistic expectations for large bass with 6 ac. lake? Thanks for all replys! Waymon
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Sky's the limit with a six acre pond. I have fished some great six acre lakes in my life. As for you TF shad question. Read the posts below under forage for LM bass. It gives you some key factors in establishing TF shad.
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I think if managed well a 6 acre lake is great. Our 6 acre lake has become a fantastic lake over the last couple of years. I just caught a 10 lb bass in January and every time we go out and fish we are catching a number of chunky bass that weigh from 1.5 lbs to 3 lbs and usually one or two that will go bigger than that. We are managing for the middle size slot(1-6 lbs bass). Anything over that we are trying to take out and anything under 10" we are taking out. This was a pre-existing lake that we stocked with coppernose bluegill,crawdads and just this past summer with threadfin. The crawdads never took. The threadfin won't survive a really cold winter but the coppernose are the backbone of this lake. Mange it right and you will have a lot of fun. Good Luck.
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I would be surprised if you didn't have crawdads, especialy in an exsisting pond. You probably had them before you stocked them, and they are probably still there. Have you ever looked for them at night with a flashlight? In MN right now we are having serious problems with the rusty crayfish, takes over were ever it has a chance. Crayfish are by nature survivors, I have never failed to find them in a body of water that where I have looked for them, from the BWCAW, trout streams, cricks, and lakes that were more mud and carp than water.
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Ty, What kind of trouble are the crawfish causing? Rusty crawfish?
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Waymon toss in some fathead minnows before the bass stocking for some money well spent. I fell spring stocking of threadfin is by far the best time followed by fall. Are you in south or norht AL? If north they may die with a severe winter. Expectations are several good quality bass with occasional bigger bass, if that is you goal. If attempting to max 8 lb or better bass you will have many fishless days.
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Taken from the Washington state department of fish and wildlife web page (B) Rusty crawfish, Orconectes rusticus. Rusty Crayfish, thought to be native to Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Kentucky and Tennessee have been introduced to many other north east and central states. The primary path of introduction is thought to be through being used as live bait. However, they are also sold to schools by biological supply houses. While most suppliers include a warning not to introduce them into the wild, they are sometimes given away to students. It is also possible, as with the red swamp crayfish, that people hoping to develop a viable commercial harvest from local lakes may have planted them.
The rusty crayfish does not burrow, preferring to find cover among rocks, logs, and other debris in pools or fast water streams. They feed on a variety of aquatic plants, worms, snails, leeches, clams, aquatic insects, fish eggs and small fish. Because they have a high metabolic rate, they tend to consume much more food than native species. Although they have been observed eating the eggs of bluegill, bass, and pike, the fact that they reduce the abundance and diversity of aquatic plants and food such as mayflies, probably has a greater impact on these species.
Rusty crayfish have also been sold locally in pet stores as aquarium species. It is very likely that once they grow a bit and begin eating everything else in the tank they may be released into the wild. Once introduced, control or eradication becomes difficult, if not impossible. The best control is to prevent their introduction, and educate the public about the threats they pose.
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I'm pretty certain it is illegal in Illinois to possess a live rusty crayfish.
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Thanks for all replies! Greg, My lake is 50 miles north of Pensacola, Fla. From the dam to the Fla. State line is about half a mile. I have 5000 fatheads coming with my bluegill. Explain the 8lb limitation with the bass? I understand you probably could not have the next state record due to dynamics, but I had assumed better than 8lb! I already have crayfish in the stream feeding the lake, and hope they will continue to be plentiful. Thanks, Waymon
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Waymon, I past right by you this fall. I worked in Defuniak Springs on 4 ponds. Anyway, You should have good growing season in that area. I'm not saying you can not grow some 12 lb bass, but they will be limited to just a few in that size pond. You have a finite number of pounds of bass that you can sustain in the pond. Max that number with fertilization, feeding program, threadfin shad,,etc. You still have a ceiling and trying to produce too many 12 lb bass will create a situation where you have few bass you can catch. You can still have a couple of "lunkers" and some great bass fishing.
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I have a 11 acre pond in south central Indiana. We performed a DNR type test (electric shock) to take inventory. Their recommendation was to remove 200 bass under 12". I did.
Now, I would like to beef up the fish that remain. My son caught a 20" fish that did not weigh 2lbs. This is not typical but it is an issue.
I have stocked fatheads and the growth is too slow for my liking. Any recommendations on increased growth rates using threadfins?
If so does anyone know of a good supplier and stocking ratio?
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Perritt you are too far north for threadfin. You could put in gizzard shad but I would read in back posts about gizzard. I think most of your bass are suppose to be larger than 16" for control of the gizzard. I'm sure one of the experts can tell you further.
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Perret: My understanding is that threadfins will only survive the winter in powerplant lakes at our latitude. I don't know if they would be worth stocking in spring with knowledge that they will die that winter. Probably an individual decision regarding cost and benefit. Jeff
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