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Re: Anybody else ever have bison meat?
esshup #201560 01/29/10 11:01 AM
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 Originally Posted By: esshup
You can raise them like steers, but the fences have to be much stronger, and they have a bit of an attitude problem. There's a local farm (in Bremen, IN)that raises them for meat. A couple got out one year and they couldn't herd them back into the pen. They were able to keep them confined to a neighbors field tho, using horses and 4-wheelers. They had to wait for the meat inspector to show up before they could shoot them, or they couldn't have sold the meat.

IIRC, bulls will get over 2,000#.


Are we talking about the bison or the bears here?

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You can raise them like steers, but the fences have to be much stronger, and they have a bit of an attitude problem. There's a local farm (in Bremen, IN)that raises them for meat. A couple got out one year and they couldn't herd them back into the pen. They were able to keep them confined to a neighbors field tho, using horses and 4-wheelers. They had to wait for the meat inspector to show up before they could shoot them, or they couldn't have sold the meat.

IIRC, bulls will get over 2,000#.


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Oh okay. I was hoping someone would have video of herding bears with horses and four wheelers.

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If that were the case, I think the herding would be against the horses and 4 wheelers.

Some kid and his dad recently shot (what the news said today) was a huge Black Bear in my vicinity. I know we have a few around, but I guess you have to pay a few bucks to go to a hunting show to see it.

MDNR along with the cops got a 630 lb wild boar that was destroying a pickup truck, with the guy still in it. That was maybe 12-15 miles away.

We are getting quite a bit of wildlife showing up. Coyotes are pretty thick this year and a territorial Bobcat that makes a showing once in a while. I know it likes Luna's dog food, that's why I wont leave food out anymore.

Us city folk living in the deep dark forest. At least Luna get's good exercise chasing squirrels and chipmunks, and eradicating the moles. I will have to get a video of her extracting a mole, it is amazing.

Anyway, back to Bison meat. What is a good marinade?

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Classic AP.

JKB, hold on for Catmandoo, I'm sure he has eight or nine marinades for either bear or bison (probably a few for buffalo as well).


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 Originally Posted By: JKB
At least Luna get's good exercise chasing squirrels and chipmunks, and eradicating the moles. I will have to get a video of her extracting a mole, it is amazing.



You need to bring Luna down here. My dog digs for moles but mostly makes a mess. Maybe Luna can show her how to capture them more consistently. They are really thick on my property. We're hoping once I convert a ditch to an underground culvert they won't be able to dig as well (ground stays moist along ditch). Once the clay soil dries up it's like concrete.

Dan Laggis of Laggis fish farmer recommended a poison product I can put in a hole and they will take it down to their dens. However I won't use it as I'm afraid the dog could eat it.

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At least Luna get's good exercise chasing squirrels and chipmunks, and eradicating the moles. I will have to get a video of her extracting a mole, it is amazing.



You need to bring Luna down here. My dog digs for moles but mostly makes a mess. Maybe Luna can show her how to capture them more consistently. They are really think on my property. We're hoping once I convert a ditch to an underground culvert they won't be able to dig as well (ground stays moist along ditch). Once the clay soil dries up it's like concrete.

Dan Laggis of Laggis fish farmer recommended a poison product I can put in a hole and they will take it down to their dens. However I won't use it as I'm afraid the dog could eat it.


I would not use poison either. After Luna claims her prize she throws it in the air a few times and tries to nudge it to make it move again to chase it. After the eyes show double XX, her sister Coco comes over and buries the little buggers for what ever reason.

Luna is a stalker, and she has such a cunning and calculating mind. I am just glad I am bigger than she is.

I have never seen a dog that stalked her quarry, learns it's behavior and patterns, and takes it out when the time is right.

When she is on a stalk, Red Meat wont have any influence. Probably because she knows it is her's anyway

I am going to make it a point to try get a video this year. It would blow your mind.

Re: Anybody else ever have bison meat?
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 Originally Posted By: JKB
Anyway, back to Bison meat. What is a good marinade?


 Originally Posted By: jeffhasapond
JKB, hold on for Catmandoo, I'm sure he has eight or nine marinades for either bear or bison (probably a few for buffalo as well).


Bison, or even beefalo, really doesn't need to be treated any differently than beef. It has a much darker color and a slightly different taste. The only real reason to marinate would be to tenderize the tougher muscle cuts. Cuts from the back end, such as round or rump, and front pieces like chuck and brisket, are probably best cut into chunks or ground into hamburger for use in stews, chili, etc. Braising them whole, slow cooking, or cooking in a pressure cooker for pot roast or BBQ works well too. For the more tender cuts, like tenderloin, sirloin, ribeye, etc., just don't overcook, as there is very little marbling to insulate and seal the meat from drying out and getting tough while cooking.

As for most bear meat, gasoline comes to mind as a good marinade when out camping and drinking beer. Have a couple of beers while marinating the meat in the gasoline. Have another beer. Get the guy with the best insurance to throw the marinated meat in the campfire from a distance. Enjoy another beer while it lights up the night sky. When the flames subside, roast a hot dog. Enjoy.


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Maybe I won't try Bear meat.

Ken, when you retire you should open a gourmet Road Kill Kafe.



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adirondack pond #201804 01/30/10 09:23 PM
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Ken, you ever eaten at the Road Kill Cafe in Artemas, PA? It's about an hour from your place and 15 minutes from our hunting cabin. Pretty cool place...


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Re: Anybody else ever have bison meat?
CJBS2003 #201809 01/30/10 10:15 PM
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 Originally Posted By: CJBS2003
Ken, you ever eaten at the Road Kill Cafe in Artemas, PA? It's about an hour from your place and 15 minutes from our hunting cabin. Pretty cool place...


I looked at their website. It looks like the only way to find the place is to be lost -- perfect for a roadkill cafe. We may just have to make that a Thursday day-trip there for a piece of Mrs. Snider's pie.

[By the way -- why aren't you out keeping the fools from turning themselves into roadkill this evening?
Our "trace to 1 inch of snow" measures about 7 inches. I guess you guys got whomped?]



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I had a friend who had one bull buffalo that he hoped to breed to some cattle. When a cow would come into "season", he would put her and the buffalo into about a 1 acre pen. Problem was that the bull didn't respect the fence. He tried a barb wire yoke to no avail. Then he yoked the bull to a male donkey. We had previously tried to ride the donkey but got pretty bruised up. Bad idea to try to break a 7 year old donkey. The first time around, the bull went through the fence and drug the donkey along. The next time the buff got near the fence the donkey started kicking the dickens out of the buff. They went around and around for awhile until the buff got the idea that the fence was bad news.

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Ken, you ever eaten at the Road Kill Cafe in Artemas, PA? It's about an hour from your place and 15 minutes from our hunting cabin. Pretty cool place...


I looked at their website. It looks like the only way to find the place is to be lost -- perfect for a roadkill cafe. We may just have to make that a Thursday day-trip there for a piece of Mrs. Snider's pie.

[By the way -- why aren't you out keeping the fools from turning themselves into roadkill this evening?
Our "trace to 1 inch of snow" measures about 7 inches. I guess you guys got whomped?]



They do have some GREAT pie and the BBQ Ribs are the best... Pretty country up there as well. I may actually be up there on Thursday myself. Let me know if you are making the trip and I'll meet you over there for dinner. Barb Snider is very nice.

Fortunately I have off this weekend! I had off the weekend of the last big snow storm in December as well so I have lucked out... We've got 9" of snow here in Stafford. My dad on the Northern Neck of VA is pushing over a foot now. Roads were a complete mess today! I was going to go into DC for the Washington Auto Show but decided to stay at home and forgo the insanity.


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JKB, A friend in MI sent me this article. Sounds like you guys have some big bear stock up there:



A huge hibernating male black bear was killed Nov. 2nd in southern Chippewa County when it was hit by a combine.
Neil Schlough of Brimley was harvesting corn in a field on the Pinehurst Farm at about 7 o'clock that evening a few miles north of the Mackinac county line, just off of South Maple Road , or about 5 miles north of Kinross.
The bear was denning in the field, having dug a hole about a foot deep to lay in and pulled in debris from the corn stalks in on top of itself.
According to his wife, Phyllis, Neil came upon the bear with the outside row of his combine head and drove the outside snout into the animal's neck and shoulder and pushed it about six or seven feet.
She said Neil felt the combine strike something and the outside snout was pushed up into the air (the combine wasn't damaged).
"He stepped out of the combine and saw that he had hit an animal," she said. "At first he thought one of our dairy steers over there had gotten out, went in the corn field, ate too much corn and died."
But it didn't take long for Neil to realize it was a bear, but it did take longer to realize how big it was. She said he called her and told her he thought it weighed about 300 pounds.
The DNR was called immediately and Conservation Warden Jim Cleven responded.
A skid steer was taken to the field, and the bear was lifted up so that it could be dressed out.
"With the lights ... we could see that it was a pretty big bear," Phyllis said. "But we had no idea until the locker plant put it on a scale that it weighed as much as it did."
The bear was taken to the Soo Locker Plant to be prepared for mounting. It was there that the animal was first weighed and measured.
Field dressed, the bear weighed in at 618 pounds and measured 7 feet from head to tail..
The Schloughs were told at the locker that they could add 80 to 100 pounds, depending on the size animal, to reach an approximate actual weight.
"So we figure that bear had to weigh at least 700. We figure 700 to 720," Phyllis said.
It's too early to tell if the massive animal will break any records since the skull has to be dried for 60 days before it can be scored.
Phyllis says they believe it has the potential to break the state mark and will probably break the Chippewa County record.
More common
DNR wildlife specialist Jess Carstens said, "This is a thing that, for whatever reason, is happening quite regularly that [bears] are denning up in the middle of fields and corn fields seem to be particularly common . due to the amount of debris from harvesting the c orn that's on the ground. There's a little more stuff to pull in on top of them as they snuggle into the hold that they've dug."
Phyllis reported that they frequently see bears on their land. And she said she recently saw a sow and cub in a corn field that was being harvested.
A full-body mount
After paying $75 to keep the bear, Neil is having the bear full-body mounted by Tom Persons, owner of TP Taxidermy.
"He's hardly ever had time to hunt or fish or anything because of farming," Phyllis said of Neil. " And so, he's going to keep the bear, and he's going to have it mounted. He's really proud of his trophy.."
She said they were told by Persons that he'll have to use a grizzly bear form to mount the bear because there aren't black bear mounts big enough to do the job.
Person reportedly also believes the bear to be 15 to 20 years old, but a tooth will be pulled during the mounting process to determine its age..
According to Wikipedia.com, male bears can reach 660 pounds, but exceptionally large males can weigh up to 800 pounds.
Phyllis said Neil was recently trying to come up with a name for the huge animal that will soon occupy a large amount of space somewhere in their home.
"I thought this was kind of funny. He said, 'I'm going to name that thing Hercules.' ... I thought Hercules for that bear was a good name."


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Re: Anybody else ever have bison meat?
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That is a huge black bear... Not many bears reach the 700 pound mark. Pennsylvania hunters usually kill a couple 700+ pound bears a year and maybe once every 5 years or so kill one over 800 pounds. A bear has to be in his prime in prime habitat to pull that off. Interesting the bear would pick an unharvested corn field to hibernate in.


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Interesting the bear would pick an unharvested corn field to hibernate in.


CJ,

I think we touched on this before and we both commented they seem to be on the increase in parts of the country but don't know why. Could the black bears attempting to hibernate in cornfields indicate an increase in the population or perhaps a loss of habitat as in places to hibernate?

Thoughts?


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I honestly don't know. I know their numbers are definitely growing in most parts of their range. I suspect with growing numbers that would be more competition over hibernation spots. However, you'd think a bear of that size could have his choice of places... I have seen bears hibernate is some weird places though. People think they only crawl into caves and go into a deep sleep. Sometimes they do use rocky caves and such but generally they just curl up in a blow down that is thick. Where I hunt them in PA, they use mountain laurel and rhododendron thickets a lot.


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Amazing they don't freeze to death being exposed that much.

Speaking of caves... I was watching something about caves on the Discovery Channel the other day. According to the narrator we've only discovered 10 percent of the caves on earth. Unbelievable!

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Iíve never had it, but I think it will become more popular if itís less expensive than beef.

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