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#128540 08/08/08 03:45 PM
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I'm curious to know what you guys use if you want to start your siphon. I've heard a few people say they use trash pumps but I don't know what a trash pump is. It will be a long time before I get to use it but wanted to know what to look for. Once the lake gets half full I will start the siphon to make sure everything works properly.


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you can fill the siphon with 5 gallon pails or a small gas powered pump from the top plug on the deck
A trash pump wil pump a mixture of water and solids pumps have different solid sizes. some pump sand and water others 3/4 agg. and up
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I used a diaphragm type bilge pump. Worked great until I broke it.

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What is a diaphragm bilge pump? Neverymind, I found out. Does anyone know what the minimum horsepower needed to pull a vacuum in the siphon systems? What about using a pressure washer (I think it would work like a trash pump except with a garden hose)?

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I'm not sure about this but I think all you need is a valve on the outflow end and garden hose or another way to fill the pipe with water. Once the pipe is full just open the outflow end and viola! Right?



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Personally, I used my gast Roc-R pump with a tire valve in the top of the siphon pipe to draw water in. I also used a 4" test plug in the outlet to hold the water until filled and the pulled the plug.

Oh ya, I used a clear "Whole House" filter between the pump and the pipe to see when it pulled water so it didn't ruin the pump. The filter had a shutoff valve that I closed when I saw water enter the filter.



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I believe I understand now. There are basically two ways to do it: 1. Plug the pipes and fill it up with water 2. Plug the pipes and pull a vacuum thereby filling the pipes up with pond water. I guess there are a thousand ways to do this. I probably won't do it manually so I need a pump (gas or electric). My next question is how strong of a pump do you need to pull a vacuum? If I wanted to fill the pipe with water, I guess I could use a cheap 12 volt bilge pump (the kind found in boats, about 500 gallons per hour) that I could submerge in the pond and run off of a vehicle battery. I wouldn't mind buying something like a gas powered pressure washer to do the job but I don't want to purchase something that is only used to do this one thing.


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Here's a cheap manual pump http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=1318

Here's some better ones http://www.simplepump.com/hand_pumps.html

If can find the old fashion long handled type, they can pump a lot of volume. My Grandma didn't have running water in her kitchen until 1997. I used to pump a drink every day after feeding the livestock and it would fill a gallon jug in just a few seconds.




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Shoot, Ryan, you made me realize I could pull our pitcher pump out of storage and use it to fill up a siphon if I ever need to!


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Anything is easier than a 5 gal bucket.

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Do you attach the pitcher pump directly to the vent pipe and pump the air out or do you use a garden hose extending down into the pond water to pump water into the open vent pipe?


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The way I was thinking was to use the pitcher pump to pump water from the pond into the siphon pipe. IME they aren't real good at pumping air.


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If I need to prime my siphon I'm going to find 300 ft. of hose and run it from the house. \:\)



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I wonder if something like this pump from Tractor Supply Company would be strong enough to fill the pipe up relatively quickly?
http://www.mytscstore.com/webapp/wcs/sto...ag=true&cFlag=1


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