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Tiger bass,F1's and Northern.

I have a question. Whats the deal with Tiger or F1 bass. They are a mix between the Florida and Northern but wouln't gen 2 or 3 of these revert back to there dominant gene like (go back to a Florida or a Northern. Also what is everyone's experience with Florida some say when they get larger they will not bite. Also with Northern b ass what are peoples experience with them? Thanks

I am a new pond owner. I have just put in 7000 blue gill/ coppernose along with "gambrusia" minnows (I know probably speeled wrong)

DCH

Daniel:

Welcome to the forum, spelling optional.

F1 FloridaxNorthern hybrids can't revert back to being pure blooded Florida or Northern ("F" and "N" hereafter). Their offspring will have a mix of F & N genes, averaging 50-50 but ranging from mostly N to mostly F. Conditions in a pond may favor either the F or the N traits, so over time the Fx (Xth generation offspring) may come to resemble either F or N more closely.

Think of mixing blue and yellow paint - you get green. It is impossible afterwards to get the color back to pure yellow or pure blue.

Floridas are indeed reported to be often harder to catch than Northerns. A southern PM has to weigh size vs. catchability when deciding what bass to stock (I never had to worry about that - I can have live Northerns or dead Floridas this time of year). In addition, it is the female Floridas that grow the largest. Male Floridas are quite a bit smaller than the females (there is a greater degree of "sexual dimorphism" - $0.50 words for the day - in Floridas than in Northerns).

There are a lot of threads discussing F, N, and F1 hybrids here (as well as some Tiger bass discussions) so search, look, and read.

Thanks again and sorry about the "spelling" What type of bass do you recommend for ponds? Would you stock pure F1's or a mix of northern and florida? Thanks I am new to the pond world

Here are a few threads on F1 and tiger LMB. Tiger LMB are a specific type of F1s. I have suggested people stock 45% N , 35 % F1 and 20% Fla. in southern locations north of I-10 but south of I-40. Do some reading and ask question before making a decision.

http://www.pondboss.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=2158&Number=23352#Post23352

http://www.pondboss.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=5690&Number=52295#Post52295

http://www.pondboss.com/forums/ubbthread...=true#Post13802

http://www.pondboss.com/forums/ubbthread...=true#Post12714

http://www.pondboss.com/forums/ubbthread...=true#Post60907

Wondering if any northern pond managers have experimented with florida genes? What is the furthest north an F1 bass can survive? Obviously they were not meant to and cannot survive in the midwest, but what about a 75% northen and 25% florida bass? Would they be able to survive further north? Basically, would it be possible or even worth it for a northern PM to stock some bass with atleast some portion of florida genes in them? Say, 90% northern 10% florida gene bass. Have any northern hatcheries experiemnted with these ideas? Just looking to improve the bass genes and don't have the option of florida or F1 bass because of the low temps.

Dan141 some of those questions have been answered in some locations. Its not just that Fla LMB died in some locations but that even where they survived in northern waters they grew very poorly. They downgraded the genetics rather than improved them.

IMO in your location you would do much better to concentrate on water quality , forage and feeding , population control (balance and genetic enhancement by selective harvest) than on Fla/F1 genetics.

I believe Bob has some feed trained F1s in NY that have done well but I could be wrong about that.

In Calif studies one of the major reasons Flas did well is their longer life span compared to northern LMB from Calif. The big growth differences came as the fish aged and continued to live and grow after the Nort. died. I contrast this long life span vs. local fish. Northern fish in general live longer and grow slower than fish from the south. However I am not sure if Fla or F1s , if they could survive , would have a longer lifespan up north than local northern LMB. The point - one major advantage of Fla genes might not exist in northern waters.

From another recent thread -- One thing to remember about genetics is new genes (change) in a natural setting often produces negative results and nature cures it by non-viability (extinction/death). Other times the change works and a species becomes better adapted. The point is adding new blood (new genes) is not necessarily a good thing -- It all depends.

What about just stocking a pure northern strain in alabama waters. I was thinking of putting 50 Northern bass per acre in my pond and then adding HSB bass in my pond as well how many striped bass would you advise per acre. I just put bream in the pond and will have a feeding program. Also I plan on putting shad in the pond as well. It is 7 acres.
Thanks

Northern LMB will do fine in Ala as will F1s and Flas. I would establish the TShad soon so they can spawn by fall. Then add the LMB and HSB. Feeding will help the HSB and you can get feed trained LMB. So your options are open to meet your goals.

Daniel we sell almost as many northerns as we do F1's (tiger) in both GA and AL. They are so dang agressive it is scary. The threadfins shoudl be stocked in April. Let us know if you need another bid.

Gregg whats your hatchery number?

Try this for Greg.

http://www.lakework.com/

Thanks Eric, greg@lakework.com or call 770-735-3523 feel free to ask for Matt as well, b/c I'm not working many hours due to family issues. thanks