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Posted By: Steve Grasberger Do Fry Survive Winter? - 10/15/19 05:12 PM
Walking the shoreline of my 8 acre pond yesterday I noticed a lot of small Blue Gill ranging in size from 1/2" to 3". I assume these are all fish that hatched in 2019.

I'm wondering what the survival rate is of these smaller fish over a NC winter. The pond is in the Piedmont area, just outside of Charlotte with an elevation of only 500 feet.
Posted By: Quarter Acre Re: Do Fry Survive Winter? - 10/15/19 06:24 PM
Do you have predators in the pond like bass, larger blue gill, crappie, etc? If so, what kind of populations.

I'm no expert on the matter, but larger fish will be a big factor in survival rates through a winter and those in the "know" will want some of that info.

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Posted By: Jim Wetzel Re: Do Fry Survive Winter? - 10/15/19 09:24 PM
Most of the smaller fish will be taken by predation. Smaller fish in poor condition at onset of cold may die from starvation related health issues if eats hard to come by. Some actually grow during winter, even in central Missouri. The Piedmont is a milder setting so losses through depredation likely to be more important.

I have had ponds with low stocking densities and high forage abundance where bluegill doubled or even tripled in weight over winter. For some reason they can not realize the same rate of growth on feed under similar conditions.
Posted By: Snipe Re: Do Fry Survive Winter? - 10/16/19 12:13 AM
Actually, the smallest fish starve. There is predation to a point but fry and slightly larger, pretty much lose their entire buffet in winter.
Now I have to back up here and state this may not be true in warmer climates but throughout the central US-north, there just isn't a constant source of food for the smallest, late hatch size fish.
I should edit to say I agree with Jim :-))
Posted By: Snipe Re: Do Fry Survive Winter? - 10/16/19 12:20 AM
Also, Fry and fingerlings are 2 different classes of fish. 2-3" fingerlings stand a much higher chance of survival than 1/2" Fry.
Some people refer to small fish as fry long after that stage is passed-no biggie, just confusing sometimes..
Posted By: jpsdad Re: Do Fry Survive Winter? - 10/16/19 01:19 AM
Originally Posted By: Jim Wetzel
Most of the smaller fish will be taken by predation. Smaller fish in poor condition at onset of cold may die from starvation related health issues if eats hard to come by. Some actually grow during winter, even in central Missouri. The Piedmont is a milder setting so losses through depredation likely to be more important.

I have had ponds with low stocking densities and high forage abundance where bluegill doubled or even tripled in weight over winter. For some reason they can not realize the same rate of growth on feed under similar conditions.


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Posted By: Vortex 4 Re: Do Fry Survive Winter? - 10/16/19 01:55 AM
Fry overwinter just fine here in the South. I had tons of little CNBG very late last year, I think after mid November. I watched them grow into recognizable little bluegill. Didn't see any effects from our brief cold snaps.

All fry have a massive mortality rate due to predation (and cannibalism). That's why we love our bluegill, they make lots of fry.
Posted By: snrub Re: Do Fry Survive Winter? - 10/16/19 12:18 PM
I also see large numbers of very small fish hugging the bank.

How many survive? Only the smart or the lucky! grin
Posted By: ewest Re: Do Fry Survive Winter? - 10/16/19 09:13 PM
Survival rate for yoy BG is , by necessity, very low. Winter is just one of the parts to total mortality rates. Certain hatchings (time frame) can also starve in spring if the right size and timing of food is not available. I don't recall seeing any hard numbers or data but my guess is among a year class of BG for year 1 total mortality is 99%.
Posted By: Dave Davidson1 Re: Do Fry Survive Winter? - 10/17/19 09:13 AM
Lusk says that 95% of all fry are eaten before they reach 1 YOA.
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