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Posted By: Augie started on the forage pond - 06/16/20 04:28 PM
It's official - I've lost my mind again. Weather guessers said sunny and dry all week, so I started digging.

Got all of the topsoil off and piled up, then started removing clay. The clay in my cow pond was mostly the red stuff.
Down in the creek bottom where I'm making the forage pond the clay is what we call blue tiger sh*t. There's a good
bit of moisture in it right now, and it is some tough stuff. First time I've ever slipped the PTO shaft clutch on the tiller.
That thing was smoking. I hope I didn't wreck it. I expect at the least it will need some adjustment to hold properly now.

Once I got a foot or so of clay off it got soft enough that I was going to get the tractor stuck if I kept trying to run the
tiller over it, so I gobbed out what I could and called it quits for the evening. I'll get back in there after work today and
see if I can do anything with it.

Goal is ~40'x75' surface area. If I can get it down to 4'-5' depth that will be plenty good for what I need it to do,
which is raising FHM/GSH to support the cow pond, and hold BG/HBG/BH/CGC for catfish bait. If I can't get it that deep
before the next rain, however deep it winds up will do for now. It's set in a naturally low spot, so I'm not planning to
do a berm/dam on the low side. If I do it won't be more than a foot or so high. We will see.

Think I'll put a low terrace up-slope on the long side to keep it from getting too much runoff from the sunflower patch.
I don't use any ag chemicals down there, but I don't really want it to fill up with silt.

Having a little water hole down there will also make my sunflower patch that much more attractive come dove hunting season.

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Posted By: RStringer Re: started on the forage pond - 06/16/20 05:06 PM
Heck yeah… What equipment are you using? Is Ms Augie shaking her at you again?
Posted By: Augie Re: started on the forage pond - 06/16/20 05:24 PM
I'm using my old MF 50E. 3/4yd front loader and a 5' LandPride rototiller on the back.

Mrs. Augie has known for awhile that this project was close to the top of my list, so she didn't freak out on me.

I did get the old "And just WHY are you doing this?".

So I told her it was a water hole for her bird hunting spot. That made everything A-OK.

She loves to go to the dove field when they're flying good.
Posted By: Snipe Re: started on the forage pond - 06/16/20 05:41 PM
Minnow additions are a must for skeeter control!
Posted By: Augie Re: started on the forage pond - 06/16/20 06:18 PM
Yep. Soon as it has a little water I'll catch some FHM out of the other pond and toss em in.

Speaking of FHM, any idea what's up with this one's eye? I've noticed a few that have both sides messed up like this.

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Posted By: Quarter Acre Re: started on the forage pond - 06/16/20 06:25 PM
Hey Augie, there is such a thing as Pop-Eye disease. Although I've never seen it...that screams pop-eye to me. As for the worry factor...I don't know if there is much to be concerned about, but look into it.
Posted By: Augie Re: started on the forage pond - 06/17/20 03:30 AM
2D photos do no justice to a hole in the ground. It's deeper than what it looks like in the pic.

I got caught up on work this morning, so I knocked off early and went to digging.

It was a bit sketchy getting through the water-saturated layer of clay that was below the topsoil. That stuff was super punchy.
Once I got an escape lane dug through that stuff and down to hard clay I was able to make some decent progress

It will do as is, but I'd like to get another 18" out of the bottom to avoid having to build a berm on the low end..

With any kind of good luck I'll finish it tomorrow.

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Posted By: RStringer Re: started on the forage pond - 06/17/20 11:14 AM
Can ya leave the tractor in the bottom for the next picture? Gives ya an idea of the size. Looks like you made a lot of progress in a day. Maybe next week you will get some rain. Out of curiousity any certain reason that you don't want a berm?
Posted By: Augie Re: started on the forage pond - 06/17/20 12:24 PM
Four reasons not to build a berm.

I don't have a sheepfoot roller or an excavator, and I don't want to spend a bunch of $$$ on this project.

When the creek gets out this spot goes under water. Good chance a berm would wash out in a big toad strangler.

I'm tired of being dirt guy. I just want it done.

It's going to rain on Friday.
Posted By: Quarter Acre Re: started on the forage pond - 06/17/20 12:49 PM
I'm excited for you Augie! And, envious. It's supposed to be real nice today and digging a hole IS considered working from home. lol
Posted By: Jambi Re: started on the forage pond - 06/17/20 07:27 PM
My little forage pond i'm doing w/ a skid steer. The dirt quality is very good with little sand; and I have topped the berm with good clay; compacting with the weight of the skid steer only. Not worried about it leaking.
Posted By: Augie Re: started on the forage pond - 06/18/20 03:58 AM
One reason to build a berm.

Too many trips in and out of the hole made the subsoil layer so punchy it got to be a real pita to get through it
and get out with a bucket load of dirt. 4x4 wheeled machines get around like a billy goat, but they absolutely destroy
the soil structure when you drive on the same spot over and over and over again.

So I decided to build a berm. It won't be much. 18"-24" maybe on the low corner of the pond. With any luck it will
have a good stand of grass before the creek gets out.

Should have ~4'-4.5' of water where the tractor's stitting when it's full. 2'-3' on the shallow end at the right side of the picture.
That's plenty enough for the intended purpose of this pond.

I dumped one bucket load of crushed limestone in the corner to maybe make it a little easier to get out with a seine.
Likely will put some more in tomorrow after I look at it again.

If I don't have any pelleted lime stashed in the barn I'll pick up 500lbs at lunchtime tomorrow and toss it in the hole.
Shouldn't need any fertilizer. There hasn't been a hog on this place since the 1950s and the ground still smells like pig poop.

It's supposed to rain on Friday and at this point I'm ok with that.

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Posted By: Jambi Re: started on the forage pond - 06/18/20 12:50 PM
Looks great! I had a backhoe for a year after moving to my place. It sat idle too long so I sold it; now I wish I had it to compliment my skid steer. My forage pond is my first "big" dirt work project, I must say moving dirt is both addictive and somewhat therapeutic. I'm proud of my little project. Next I need to buy a transit to start getting a little, ok a lot, more precise!
Posted By: RStringer Re: started on the forage pond - 06/18/20 07:45 PM
That's lookin pretty good. Looks like you and Nanner got busy. I'm pretty sure that's what ya nicknamed the tractor lol. Looks like a pretty size for what your doing.
Posted By: Augie Re: started on the forage pond - 06/19/20 03:08 AM
It's as done as it's going to get for now.

The ground is so dang punchy down there I can't do anything more with it.

I got the berm semi-level after work today, put topsoil on it, tilled it in, then tossed out 10lbs of fescue seed.

It's supposed to rain here tomorrow. Hoping for luck and a nice half-inch slow soaker.

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And the collateral damage... Backed into one of the dirt piles with the tiller. Good job, Lamont, ya big dummy.

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Posted By: Augie Re: started on the forage pond - 06/20/20 03:03 PM
I put a bushel of feed wheat and ten pounds of dutch clover on the berm yesterday.

Got a nice slow rain last night. Sometimes the blind pig finds an acorn.


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Posted By: Augie Re: started on the forage pond - 07/02/20 05:20 PM
We've gotten several more nice rains. The water is now well up on the gravel ramp. Wheat/fescue/clover is growing nicely on the berm

Yesterday I tossed ~75 BG/HBG, a couple dozen FHM, and half a dozen GSH into the muddy water.

The minnows took off like it was no big deal. The bluegills seemed a bit confused at first, but they took off after a couple minutes.

Tossed another trapload in this morning. Hopefully we'll get some more rain soon. I might get ambitious this weekend and pump
some water up from the creek.
Posted By: Steve_ Re: started on the forage pond - 07/03/20 12:17 AM
Looking good. Is that clay or just mud?
Posted By: Augie Re: started on the forage pond - 07/03/20 05:00 PM
It's muddy clay.
Posted By: jim100 Re: started on the forage pond - 07/03/20 05:14 PM
Can you post another pic with more water? And some pumping? Looking good!
Posted By: Augie Re: started on the forage pond - 07/03/20 05:34 PM
Can't post any new pics right now. Photobucket is jacked up again.
Posted By: snrub Re: started on the forage pond - 07/03/20 11:00 PM
The FHM will really respond to some fish food if you are going to feed them. In that muddy water they could probably use some supplemental feed.

You will enjoy a forage pond.
Posted By: anthropic Re: started on the forage pond - 07/04/20 01:43 AM
Originally Posted by Augie
It's muddy clay.

Not always a bad thing considering raccoons, herons, cormorants, etc.
Posted By: Augie Re: started on the forage pond - 07/07/20 01:20 PM
Originally Posted by anthropic
Originally Posted by Augie
It's muddy clay.

Not always a bad thing considering raccoons, herons, cormorants, etc.

Yeah, the water is really quite disgusting to look at right now, but with it only being a couple feet deep, that's probably not a bad thing.

I need to get a pallet stack in there for the FHM to breed on, but I'm out of pallets atm. I guess it's time to plan a raid on the junk pallet pile at work.

I've been tossing a handful of pellets in the evenings. The water is starting to grow some algae, but there's not much for the fish to eat yet,
not without some help, anyway.
Posted By: Augie Re: started on the forage pond - 08/03/20 01:38 PM
We got 1.5" rain in about thirty minutes yesterday afternoon. It's not quite full to the point of overflowing, but it's close.

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Posted By: RStringer Re: started on the forage pond - 08/03/20 03:40 PM
That looks like the perfect size. Easy to siene out when needed. Congrats looks like the plan came together beautiful.
Posted By: Augie Re: started on the forage pond - 08/03/20 04:29 PM
So far, so good. Need to finish landscaping the berm and around the outside of that, but I've got a feeling that will have to wait for the sub-soil to re-coagulate.
I expect it's going to need a couple or three freeze/thaw cycles for that to happen. For now I'm just happy that it's full of water.
Posted By: CityDad Re: started on the forage pond - 08/16/20 10:44 PM
Are you worried about it overflowing? o rnah bc its just baitfish?
Posted By: RStringer Re: started on the forage pond - 08/16/20 10:55 PM
Have you put any structure in it yet? Are they taking to pellets. I want one of these now lol. My wife would give me the side eye. It took like 2 years to do the work on my pond.
Posted By: Augie Re: started on the forage pond - 08/17/20 02:09 PM
Overflow is not a major concern. It's possible for the creek to rise enough to get into the pond, but the worst thing that would do is allow some bait to escape.
I've put a couple hundred yoy BG/HBG in already, and I'm catching 20-30 more every day out of the front yard cow pond.
Posted By: Augie Re: started on the forage pond - 08/17/20 02:31 PM
I'm not planning to add any structure other than a pallet stack in one corner for FHM spawning. I want to keep it open so I can drag a seine without it getting hung up.

The water is clearing nicely now that it's full. The BG/HBG hear me coming and stack up on the bank waiting for pellets. They get a cup of Optimal Jr. every evening, and I toss another two cups of cheap catfish food for the crayfish.
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