Solution to Blue Heron Problem - 06/04/22 07:28 PM
I have discovered the solution to the blue heron problem!
It is Country blue herons that have been eating the fish from our ponds.
Clearly we need to entice some City blue herons to replace them.
Maybe you could tie small otters to the backs of the cormorants - to really help train your blue herons correctly!
I know you wanted those crappie.
Unfortunately, a healthy crappie drifting in front of a LMB is like waving a red cape in front of a bull. You are going to get a reaction!
P.S. I thought I remembered you as a fairly heavy fish food feeder from one of the Optimal threads? There are now so many Texas pond managers that I read on Pond Boss that I am starting to get them confused! (Oh well, won't be the last time I get confused. )
I know you wanted those crappie.
Unfortunately, a healthy crappie drifting in front of a LMB is like waving a red cape in front of a bull. You are going to get a reaction!
P.S. I thought I remembered you as a fairly heavy fish food feeder from one of the Optimal threads? There are now so many Texas pond managers that I read on Pond Boss that I am starting to get them confused! (Oh well, won't be the last time I get confused. )I use triton 4512 as feed. And I have had big LMB take them off my line (8”).. yesterday I was piddling in the flooded timber and had a 6” LMB on a crappie jig and guess what…6-7# LMB came up and gobbled it up and hauling A and hung the cork in a v branch breaking off.. water is clear so I got to watch, pretty cool
I know you wanted those crappie.
Unfortunately, a healthy crappie drifting in front of a LMB is like waving a red cape in front of a bull. You are going to get a reaction!
P.S. I thought I remembered you as a fairly heavy fish food feeder from one of the Optimal threads? There are now so many Texas pond managers that I read on Pond Boss that I am starting to get them confused! (Oh well, won't be the last time I get confused. )I use triton 4512 as feed. And I have had big LMB take them off my line (8”).. yesterday I was piddling in the flooded timber and had a 6” LMB on a crappie jig and guess what…6-7# LMB came up and gobbled it up and hauling A and hung the cork in a v branch breaking off.. water is clear so I got to watch, pretty cool Pat That would have been way cool to watch happen! now you know what to use for bait to catch them big ones.
I dont know if its already too hot in Texas to use some topwater poppers for the big bass or not, about perfect around here, but that has to be the most fun way to catch a big bass there is, love to see them leave a wake as they come to the surface to snatch it.
I know you wanted those crappie.
Unfortunately, a healthy crappie drifting in front of a LMB is like waving a red cape in front of a bull. You are going to get a reaction!
P.S. I thought I remembered you as a fairly heavy fish food feeder from one of the Optimal threads? There are now so many Texas pond managers that I read on Pond Boss that I am starting to get them confused! (Oh well, won't be the last time I get confused. )I use triton 4512 as feed. And I have had big LMB take them off my line (8”).. yesterday I was piddling in the flooded timber and had a 6” LMB on a crappie jig and guess what…6-7# LMB came up and gobbled it up and hauling A and hung the cork in a v branch breaking off.. water is clear so I got to watch, pretty cool Pat That would have been way cool to watch happen! now you know what to use for bait to catch them big ones.
I dont know if its already too hot in Texas to use some topwater poppers for the big bass or not, about perfect around here, but that has to be the most fun way to catch a big bass there is, love to see them leave a wake as they come to the surface to snatch it.Ha ha ha that’s what I use! Pop-R is pretty deadly at times, the rest of the time I use big bite bait cane thumper with owner brand flashy swimmer… have caught 10# plus on both baits
Maybe I'll ask them to bring some the next time they do an electro survey. You've sure had great results!
Maybe I'll ask them to bring some the next time they do an electro survey. You've sure had great results!Not so much on LMB. BG love it but I don’t over feed them. Only thing going for me is big LMB and lots(too many BG) and a handful of BCP.
I don't know if that is true.
However, I have observed the "inverse" several times. I have seen two egrets working a shoreline and then had a GBH fly in and land 20-30 feet away.
No fight ensued, but the closest egret shortly thereafter opted to fly away. The second egret would then follow.
The two egrets combined certainly massed more than the GBH, but I have never observed any behavior that they even considered attempting to intimidate a GBH.
I would think that Snipe's idea for GBH decoys would be effective against a variety of fish stealers!
Is "How many do you have?" the correct answer?
I have only ever seen a GBH catch and swallow small fish and a frog. I have never seen them spear a fish. However, I have seen lots of pics on Pond Boss of "speared" fish.
I think I must be fishing in ponds with too many small fish!
Is "How many do you have?" the correct answer?
I have only ever seen a GBH catch and swallow small fish and a frog. I have never seen them spear a fish. However, I have seen lots of pics on Pond Boss of "speared" fish.
I think I must be fishing in ponds with too many small fish!
All our perch loss to GBH are from being speared. They will hit them and not be able to eat them. Then they are just left to die slowly. Our latest loss was are night during their spawn. Now that the fish feeder is out there they will come in at dusk when the feeder is set to go off.
We have watched these GBH for some time and a decoy works well. If they see there is a GBH already on the bank of the pond they won't land until they get comfortable with it or its much harder to get a meal else where.
I have personally watched them puke in the pond to chum the minnows. My thoughts when I seen that is if there is a live bass or northern pike in there they would maybe change the balance of our pond. We have scared them so bad that they puke on the shore and we have watched the minnows they have eaten flop around on the grass.
Crafty buggers they are. Cheers,
It is Country blue herons that have been eating the fish from our ponds.
Clearly we need to entice some City blue herons to replace them.
Re: Solution to Blue Heron Problem - 06/04/22 07:29 PM
Re: Solution to Blue Heron Problem - 06/04/22 08:29 PM
I wonder if we could train them to eat cormorants...
Re: Solution to Blue Heron Problem - 06/04/22 08:48 PM
Originally Posted by anthropic
I wonder if we could train them to eat cormorants...
Maybe you could tie small otters to the backs of the cormorants - to really help train your blue herons correctly!
Re: Solution to Blue Heron Problem - 06/06/22 08:02 PM
Is that a gopher in his beak? If so I need to hire him to patrol my garden, those things have destroyed a lot of squash and tomatoes
Re: Solution to Blue Heron Problem - 06/06/22 11:18 PM
Pat,
I think I recall that you have successfully feed-trained lots of fish in your ponds.
Surely your next project should be to feed-train blue herons to eat gophers out of your garden!
I think I recall that you have successfully feed-trained lots of fish in your ponds.
Surely your next project should be to feed-train blue herons to eat gophers out of your garden!
Re: Solution to Blue Heron Problem - 06/07/22 03:27 PM
Rod
I never feed trained any fish but I’m open to feed train the ole GBH. The LMB feed trained themselves to eat my BCP….
I never feed trained any fish but I’m open to feed train the ole GBH. The LMB feed trained themselves to eat my BCP….
Re: Solution to Blue Heron Problem - 06/07/22 06:54 PM
Originally Posted by Pat Williamson
The LMB feed trained themselves to eat my BCP….
I know you wanted those crappie.
Unfortunately, a healthy crappie drifting in front of a LMB is like waving a red cape in front of a bull. You are going to get a reaction!
P.S. I thought I remembered you as a fairly heavy fish food feeder from one of the Optimal threads? There are now so many Texas pond managers that I read on Pond Boss that I am starting to get them confused! (Oh well, won't be the last time I get confused. )
Re: Solution to Blue Heron Problem - 06/07/22 10:32 PM
Originally Posted by FishinRod
Originally Posted by Pat Williamson
The LMB feed trained themselves to eat my BCP….
I know you wanted those crappie.
Unfortunately, a healthy crappie drifting in front of a LMB is like waving a red cape in front of a bull. You are going to get a reaction!
P.S. I thought I remembered you as a fairly heavy fish food feeder from one of the Optimal threads? There are now so many Texas pond managers that I read on Pond Boss that I am starting to get them confused! (Oh well, won't be the last time I get confused. )
Re: Solution to Blue Heron Problem - 06/08/22 05:44 AM
Pat, where do you get the triton feed? Online, feed store, Farm & Fleet? Purina stopped deliveries for weeks at my local Purina store, I'm feeling the need for lots of options.
Re: Solution to Blue Heron Problem - 06/08/22 01:28 PM
James I get it from Overtons….. I’m only 20 minutes from him
Re: Solution to Blue Heron Problem - 06/09/22 11:52 AM
Originally Posted by Pat Williamson
Originally Posted by FishinRod
Originally Posted by Pat Williamson
The LMB feed trained themselves to eat my BCP….
I know you wanted those crappie.
Unfortunately, a healthy crappie drifting in front of a LMB is like waving a red cape in front of a bull. You are going to get a reaction!
P.S. I thought I remembered you as a fairly heavy fish food feeder from one of the Optimal threads? There are now so many Texas pond managers that I read on Pond Boss that I am starting to get them confused! (Oh well, won't be the last time I get confused. )
I dont know if its already too hot in Texas to use some topwater poppers for the big bass or not, about perfect around here, but that has to be the most fun way to catch a big bass there is, love to see them leave a wake as they come to the surface to snatch it.
Re: Solution to Blue Heron Problem - 06/09/22 04:50 PM
Originally Posted by gehajake
Originally Posted by Pat Williamson
Originally Posted by FishinRod
Originally Posted by Pat Williamson
The LMB feed trained themselves to eat my BCP….
I know you wanted those crappie.
Unfortunately, a healthy crappie drifting in front of a LMB is like waving a red cape in front of a bull. You are going to get a reaction!
P.S. I thought I remembered you as a fairly heavy fish food feeder from one of the Optimal threads? There are now so many Texas pond managers that I read on Pond Boss that I am starting to get them confused! (Oh well, won't be the last time I get confused. )
I dont know if its already too hot in Texas to use some topwater poppers for the big bass or not, about perfect around here, but that has to be the most fun way to catch a big bass there is, love to see them leave a wake as they come to the surface to snatch it.
Re: Solution to Blue Heron Problem - 06/09/22 09:06 PM
Originally Posted by Pat Williamson
James I get it from Overtons….. I’m only 20 minutes from him
Maybe I'll ask them to bring some the next time they do an electro survey. You've sure had great results!
Re: Solution to Blue Heron Problem - 06/09/22 09:33 PM
Originally Posted by anthropic
Originally Posted by Pat Williamson
James I get it from Overtons….. I’m only 20 minutes from him
Maybe I'll ask them to bring some the next time they do an electro survey. You've sure had great results!
Re: Solution to Blue Heron Problem - 06/10/22 03:29 AM
This raises an interesting question: What is the impact on LMB from feeding BG and other panfish? You'd think it would be a plus, since forage fish numbers & size variety would be larger, plus maybe they are more vulnerable to LMB when they surface to feed on pellets.
But there are so many variables, hard to be sure. Would it be more a plus for LMB population, or average size, or what? At what point would overfeeding be a real threat to BG predators?
But there are so many variables, hard to be sure. Would it be more a plus for LMB population, or average size, or what? At what point would overfeeding be a real threat to BG predators?
Re: Solution to Blue Heron Problem - 06/10/22 04:57 AM
As to deterring GBH, I've been told if you add 2 GBH decoys about 50-75' apart, a third Live bird won't land? They say they are very territorial when Paired up. Anyone ever try this?
Re: Solution to Blue Heron Problem - 06/10/22 05:41 AM
Originally Posted by Snipe
As to deterring GBH, I've been told if you add 2 GBH decoys about 50-75' apart, a third Live bird won't land? They say they are very territorial when Paired up. Anyone ever try this?
I don't know if that is true.
However, I have observed the "inverse" several times. I have seen two egrets working a shoreline and then had a GBH fly in and land 20-30 feet away.
No fight ensued, but the closest egret shortly thereafter opted to fly away. The second egret would then follow.
The two egrets combined certainly massed more than the GBH, but I have never observed any behavior that they even considered attempting to intimidate a GBH.
I would think that Snipe's idea for GBH decoys would be effective against a variety of fish stealers!
Re: Solution to Blue Heron Problem - 06/10/22 09:53 PM
Rod
How many fish do you think a GBH can perp a day?
How many fish do you think a GBH can perp a day?
Re: Solution to Blue Heron Problem - 06/10/22 11:25 PM
Originally Posted by Pat Williamson
Rod
How many fish do you think a GBH can perp a day?
How many fish do you think a GBH can perp a day?
Is "How many do you have?" the correct answer?
I have only ever seen a GBH catch and swallow small fish and a frog. I have never seen them spear a fish. However, I have seen lots of pics on Pond Boss of "speared" fish.
I think I must be fishing in ponds with too many small fish!
Re: Solution to Blue Heron Problem - 06/11/22 12:16 AM
Same here….. I have 0 bullfrogs and baby turtles are also on the menu as well as snakes. I don’t mind them snacking on all the bg they can catch which is hardly any
Re: Solution to Blue Heron Problem - 06/20/22 03:50 PM
Originally Posted by FishinRod
Originally Posted by Pat Williamson
Rod
How many fish do you think a GBH can perp a day?
How many fish do you think a GBH can perp a day?
Is "How many do you have?" the correct answer?
I have only ever seen a GBH catch and swallow small fish and a frog. I have never seen them spear a fish. However, I have seen lots of pics on Pond Boss of "speared" fish.
I think I must be fishing in ponds with too many small fish!
All our perch loss to GBH are from being speared. They will hit them and not be able to eat them. Then they are just left to die slowly. Our latest loss was are night during their spawn. Now that the fish feeder is out there they will come in at dusk when the feeder is set to go off.
We have watched these GBH for some time and a decoy works well. If they see there is a GBH already on the bank of the pond they won't land until they get comfortable with it or its much harder to get a meal else where.
I have personally watched them puke in the pond to chum the minnows. My thoughts when I seen that is if there is a live bass or northern pike in there they would maybe change the balance of our pond. We have scared them so bad that they puke on the shore and we have watched the minnows they have eaten flop around on the grass.
Crafty buggers they are. Cheers,
Re: Solution to Blue Heron Problem - 06/20/22 04:40 PM
If I want to puke, all I need to do is watch the news.