Pond Boss
My HSB went in spring of 2018 and fed on pellets, at first, very sparingly and eventually just quit showing up for the dinner bell. They were making meals of the FHM's and I could catch one occasionally on lures, rarely the same lure twice...smart fish! Now, the FHM's are all but gone, HBG YOY numbers are their, but not over abundant. Now, the HSB have taken back to feeding on pellets...big swirls and splashing at feeding time...just teasing me! They won't touch any crank bait, big trout flies, HBG YOY or big grasshoppers under a bobber (at any depth), rubber worms...nothing.

Has anyone figured out a way to get pellet food to stick to a larger hook AND float?

I just want to see a couple for measurement and weighing (I'm not saying I don't desire the thrill of the catch, but)...I'm going to drain the pond and teach them who's smarter! mad
are your pellets big enough to drill a hole thru or maybe glue the hook to a groove filed in pellet with egg white or super glue? a lot of work for regular fishing, but not in the interest of science. smile
Posted By: NEDOC Re: These HSB are getting the best of me! RANT - 09/13/19 01:29 PM
How big were they when you stocked them? Just curious.
Originally Posted By: roundy
are your pellets big enough to drill a hole thru or maybe glue the hook to a groove filed in pellet with egg white or super glue? a lot of work for regular fishing, but not in the interest of science. smile


I am using Optimal Blue Gill = 4.5mm pellets...not really big enough to drill and hook, but I have wondered about grinding, adding binder (elmer's glue - lol) and forming to the hooks, but maybe gluing several pellets to a hook would be enough to float. I'll try that this weekend.

Originally Posted By: NEDOC
How big were they when you stocked them? Just curious.


They went in at 4-6" long and were in the 2 pound range earlier this year. I caught 2 in early summer...that's all I have managed this year in may hours of fishing for them.
You might try lures designed to imitate pellets. Stubby Steves, maybe?Or perhaps put a hook through a golden raisin.
I am using a small hook (large bluegill size) in which I can jam a larger food pellet. I slip a tiny fly float above the hook and then press it down onto the eye of the hook (If the bait must float on the surface). Toss out some more pellets to start the feeding frenzy. Watch out for the fifteen pound CC...too much for a little rod. Anyway, the bait is grabbed and gone under...but you gotta give it a moment to dislodge the bait and expose the hook. Gotcha!
With respect to lures, I have the same problem with my LMB, each lure works only one time...1/10th acre pond, I imagine every bass in there is watching the one get hooked...collective memory: "well, that's a fake also."
Posted By: NEDOC Re: These HSB are getting the best of me! RANT - 09/13/19 01:47 PM
I'm asking you selfishly because I stocked some this spring in my pond in the 4-6" range. How many fish do you have per acre?

I'd also try very small jig head (1/32 to 1/64oz) tipped with worm.
Originally Posted By: anthropic
You might try lures designed to imitate pellets. Stubby Steves, maybe?Or perhaps put a hook through a golden raisin.


I have tried a DIY "Stubby Steve's" by cutting a pellet sized piece of small faded purple rubber worm. It closely mimics a pellet under water, similar in size and color. I am convinced that it must be the combination of floating, color, & smell/taste that they are tuning in to.

How can any fish resist a fat, juicy, live grasshopper during a feeding frenzy? They are only interested in pellets it wold seem.

Originally Posted By: DannyMac
I imagine every bass in there is watching the one get hooked...collective memory: "well, that's a fake also."


Fake or not...I'm a believer! Just last week during my first attempt to catch a HSB during the feed...I was using small HBG under a bobber (about 6" deep) and got a few hard strikes, but nothing landed. I have fished for an hour a day since during feeding time with the same rigging and NOTHING will touch it. I'm afraid I have trained them to NOT eat my HBG YOY. Surely not, but that's the way they're acting.

Originally Posted By: NEDOC
I'm asking you selfishly because I stocked some this spring in my pond in the 4-6" range. How many fish do you have per acre?

I'd also try very small jig head (1/32 to 1/64oz) tipped with worm.


I put in 40 HSB in my 1/4 acre pond (160 per acre). Their main purpose is to help control the HBG offspring as my goal is to grow some bigger HBG. They (HBG) seem to have topped out this year at 1/2 pound, but that's for a different rant. The first year, the HSB got over a pound each and should be over 2 pounds now, if I could just prove that.

I may try a jig head tipped with dynamite!
Posted By: NEDOC Re: These HSB are getting the best of me! RANT - 09/13/19 02:16 PM
I'd bite the bullet and order the Stubby Steve. It has size, smell and color of a pellet. And keep journaling this experience please.

https://www.stubbysteve.com/
Originally Posted By: NEDOC
I'd bite the bullet and order the Stubby Steve. It has size, smell and color of a pellet. And keep journaling this experience please.

https://www.stubbysteve.com/


If I was culling the fish, I would definitely get some Stubbys, but they recommend a small hook for floaty purposes and, at this point, I am afraid of them swallowing the hooks.

I am definitely going to glue a few pellets to an appropriately sized larger hook this evening with Elmer's and see what that does. Since Elmer's didn't kill Terri R. in the 1st grade (she ate a lot of that stuff)...it won't hurt my fish...LOL. I guess multiple Stubbys on a single hook may also work, but I'm not waiting on the mail, tonight's the night!
Posted By: NEDOC Re: These HSB are getting the best of me! RANT - 09/13/19 03:19 PM
They do swallow the hook when they hit a Stubby Stever. I just cut the line and start over. A fish hook isn't worth me killing any fish that isn't meeting the filet knife. LOL.

PS One advantage of using a very light jig head tipped with worm is that the jighead makes it much less likely to be swallowed, and much easier to remove.
Mix in Optimal large hand throw food , The HSB will target on those and then easier to put on the hook and hide the hook. Also , chicken liver no weight, cast into the feeding and hold on....

Both are pretty much guarantees for me.
drat... the photobucket photos are purposely blurred now. But on this page they showed how to make your own pellet fly using panty hose and a pellet.

A good tip from this thread is that if you store the pantyhose pellet hooks in a container with your optimal or Aquamax it may help get the proper scent too.

http://forums.pondboss.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=160718
Originally Posted By: Quarter Acre
Originally Posted By: NEDOC
I'd bite the bullet and order the Stubby Steve. It has size, smell and color of a pellet. And keep journaling this experience please.

https://www.stubbysteve.com/


If I was culling the fish, I would definitely get some Stubbys, but they recommend a small hook for floaty purposes and, at this point, I am afraid of them swallowing the hooks.

I am definitely going to glue a few pellets to an appropriately sized larger hook this evening with Elmer's and see what that does. Since Elmer's didn't kill Terri R. in the 1st grade (she ate a lot of that stuff)...it won't hurt my fish...LOL. I guess multiple Stubbys on a single hook may also work, but I'm not waiting on the mail, tonight's the night!


If you use barbless or crimped-barb hooks you can use as small a hook as you want and easily retrieve it with a hook remover with minimal damage to the fish. I highly recommend having one in your pond tackle box. It has saved quite a few of my nicer BG.

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I am definitely going to glue a few pellets to an appropriately sized larger hook this evening with Elmer's and see what that does. Since Elmer's didn't kill Terri R. in the 1st grade (she ate a lot of that stuff)...it won't hurt my fish...LOL. I guess multiple Stubbys on a single hook may also work, but I'm not waiting on the mail, tonight's the night!


Post pics!
Noel, what's your water temp? I've been warned against fishing for HSB when water is too hot, they will fight to the death.

Not meant as a dig, you live hundreds of miles north of me. Just curious.
Posted By: TGW1 Re: These HSB are getting the best of me! RANT - 09/14/19 12:41 PM
How much fishing pressure did you put on the hsb when they were smaller?


How clear is your water, can they see you when your fishing?


Have you tried fluorocarbon lines and have you downsized your fishing line and hook size?


What about slowing down your feeding the hsb? Maybe bite might improve if they are hungry?

I ask this because in my situation, I did not add the hsb until the second year and then I started ladder stocking each fall and spring by adding 15 or 20 different sized fish each time. From 10" to to 17" sized. In the beginning I very seldom caught one and I almost never saw them come to the feeders. And very little fishing pressure at that time. Today, I allow little fishing pressure with most fisherman being children and the catch rates on the hsb are pretty good with about 25 hsb per acre. We vary the baits so we try to fish with baits they have not seen before. I just mention all this because this is what I see today but things may change as the world never stays the same from my experience. And I might be in your position tomorrow.
I've discovered that the HSB are much more eager to bite if the feeder has run out for a couple of days. Just throw in a few larger pellets and they go crazy.
Posted By: Snipe Re: These HSB are getting the best of me! RANT - 09/14/19 07:42 PM
For removing my cats, I used optimal bass pellets. Drill a 1/16" hole and thread your line through 1-2 pellets, through the hook then back above the pellet around the line and return the line and tie to hook. It works great, floats a smaller hook-but not too small. Use the biggest pellet you can to keep others from consuming if possible.
HSB may not be able to detect glue but the cats sure did and wouldn't touch it.
If you catch a fish and loose pellets just double line over about 6" from hook, twist and shove doubled line back through 2 more new pellets and pull the loop the doubled line makes back over pellets and pull snug-like a palamar knot.
I wonder if a bit of moistened chewing gum would securely attach the pellet without triggering the negative response glue does?
Originally Posted By: beastman
Also , chicken liver no weight, cast into the feeding and hold on....Both are pretty much guarantees for me.


I'll try the chicken liver as I was thwarted this weekend. I did get one to the dock using a 2-3" HBG, but it spit the barbless hook out at the dock. It looked fat healthy, at least.

Originally Posted By: Bocomo
If you use barbless or crimped-barb hooks you can use as small a hook as you want and easily retrieve it with a hook remover with minimal damage to the fish. I highly recommend having one in your pond tackle box. It has saved quite a few of my nicer BG.


A hook remover is now on my shopping list.

Originally Posted By: anthropic
Noel, what's your water temp?...Just curious.


The water in the morning is about 75 degrees F top to bottom. By the time evening hits, it's 75 on the bottom and 76 18" down, with 82 at the surface.

Originally Posted By: TGW1
How much fishing pressure did you put on the hsb when they were smaller?


How clear is your water, can they see you when your fishing?


Have you tried fluorocarbon lines and have you downsized your fishing line and hook size?


What about slowing down your feeding the hsb? Maybe bite might improve if they are hungry?


I only caught about 8 last year and only two this year. I have fished alot, but most usually land the fish if it chooses to bite.

The water has been 18 to 24 inches clear for a few weeks now and that's why i think the HSB have started feeding on pellets now. I suspect they can feel my heartbeat through the dock (and see me too). I have tried fishing from the shore a few times, but no change.

I have not tried fluorocarbon line or smaller hooks. My reels are rigged with cheap 6 or 8 pound test and I use hooks that are not likely to get swallowed.

I tend to feed my fish as much as they will eat when weather and water conditions allow. They don;t eat much and are rarely overly excited at meal time. I don't know why entirely. Pond tends to be muddy and that causes some DO issues, but it's improving. I was thinking about stopping the feed for a few days, but I just started an Optimal food trial and I do not want to mess with the results.

Originally Posted By: anthropic
I wonder if a bit of moistened chewing gum would securely attach the pellet without triggering the negative response glue does?


I may have to start chewing gum. Friday night was a bust. My fist attempt at the glued pellets on a hook taught me that the glue needs to dry longer than a hour or two before wetting in the pond. The glue turned ghost white after about a minute in the water. I glued 3 pellets on a hook and it floated, but I think the white glue spooked them...IDK. I did get a hit on a small HBG under a bobber, but it got away.

Saturday night I had the pellet glue cured for hours and added several more pellets, BUT the fish turned off. The HBG were feeding OK, but the HSB were nowhere to be found. The added pellets helped it float longer and hid the hook better. The dried glue never turned white, maybe a bit yellow, but not screaming..."Don't Eat ME". I switched feed type this night according to a feed trial that I am conducting for Optimal, but surely a slightly different feed would not have such a dramatic affect on the HSB feeding enthusiasm. Tomorrow is back to the Optimal Blue Gill that I have been using all year (part of the trial - BG feed for three days then one of seven new types for tow days). Hopefully they come back tomorrow and tease me some more.

Tonight was a repeat of Saturday and I didn't even throw out a Pellet -on-a-Hook. No HSB to speak of, but I did catch several HBG, a few over a half pound.

Thanks for everyone's participation in the thread...

I'll keep trying.

Friday night's try...



The improved version...





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The glue turned ghost white after about a minute in the water.


QA, my bride keeps a glue gun and something like it may work. It melts plastic sticks and these are relatively clear. Being plastic it probably doesn't have a lot of scent. While hot you may even by able to dust it with ground feed.

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I did get one to the dock using a 2-3" HBG, but it spit the barbless hook out at the dock.


2" to 3" sunfish are awesome bait. When I fish with BG with my son I usually hold my pole and he leaves his in the holder (I drive 1 1/2 pvc cut at an angle on one end into the ground). He is always getting distracted and usually he doesn't even know he is getting a bite until he has already hooked one. The interesting thing is ... despite the extra attention I give my pole ... he catches as many fish as I do.
Pellet fly ala George - panty hose around pellet, wrap the top with floss or sewing thread, hook a corner of the hose with hook, done. You'll need a fly rod to cast or use a float for some weight on a spinning rod.
IMO, TJ nailed it with the pellet fly (which he taught me). My HSB were extremely elusive so when it came time for "sampling" or just wanting a good fight, since I was feeding LMB food, I used the panty hose and since the HSB knew where the food would be twice a day (feeding time), using a spnning rod I was able to get a full cast and had nearly a catch every time. Oh, and since the food floats, it's like a violent top-water strike smile .

Another idea learned from Esshup (if not mentioned earlier) would be to soak the smaller food until you could form it in a ball and mold it around the hook. As long as the food wasn't too soggy it would stay on the hook very well.
I love all the options that have been given (Thanks a million) and have yet to try the panty-pellet fly. I think this has the most promise when it comes time to harvest my HSB, but for the tome being, I'm making it hard on myself by sticking to larger hooks that lessen the likely hood of cleaning a fish unexpectedly.

BUT...I got one last night an the chicken dinner goes to the mikepjr (thanks for the suggestion Mike! (from a different thread)) and the night crawler...Kinda!

Once the fish was on the dock, it was hooked near the eye, not the mouth. This is the second one snagged in this fashion this year. So, in reality it caught itself during the feeding of pellets. Last nights HSB feeding enthusiasm was the best I've seen to date (it was raining too). At times the bobber was moving back and forth a foot or so just from the surfaces hits on either side. It was near frenzy.

At any rate, my goal has been achieved. The fish weighed in at 2 pounds even and was 16.25" long. New pond record by a hair's weight...



HSB fishing for the year is now over for the most part and the pressure can go back to the HBG for my entertainment.
Congratulations! Pretty fish.
I figured out the "trick" last night!

You have to go to the pond with the full intention of fishing for the gills NOT the bass. Since I had got a HSB to weigh at the end of this season, I was satisfied and wanted to fish for fun not management...so...

The HSB typically feed on the open water side of the dock and the HBG mostly congregate on the opposite side where their is plenty of sunken structure. So, I took the left over worms, no bobber, and started casting and letting it slowly sink near the gills favorite hangouts...just enough worm bit to cover the hook.

It was the best hour of fishing that the pond has produced to date. I caught 4 HSB, all 2# or bigger and the new pond record is 2.6# @ 18" long! I even caught two in a row and they were all caught out of the HBG's territory...Go figure. 7 gills came out also between 0.4 and 0.6 pounds each. I'll post the whopper photo on my Pond Log thread here...

http://forums.pondboss.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=495197&page=5
Posted By: NEDOC Re: These HSB are getting the best of me! RANT - 09/25/19 01:15 PM
This is awesome. Thanks again for posting progress as I'm sure there are others going thru similar projects. Myself included!
Well, now that I have decided that some HBG need to be removed to help manage the DO by reducing the standing weight of the pond...I can't catch them! They have turned completely off...no feeding to speak of, certainly no catching of the HBG the last two days.. The HSB are feeding very well and have now, proven to be relatively easy to catch. I have 6 HSB caged along with a dozen HBG...Surely I have not caged all the HBG I have in the pond. It's like they know I'm after blood.

The Optimal trials that I am conduction are messing with my mind...is it the food changes. Or maybe the weather, how many fish are really in their, it's a conspiracy...This is a RANT thread, I've just changed it up a bit. All in all, it's a good lesson in dealing with certain unknowns.

18 pounds of fish captured...57 pounds to go. I'll keep trying, at least fishing an hour a day is right up my alley...catching or not.
Posted By: jpws Re: These HSB are getting the best of me! RANT - 10/03/19 07:47 PM
[quote=Q, Now, the HSB have taken back to feeding on pellets...big swirls and splashing at feeding time...just teasing me! They won't touch any crank bait, big trout flies, HBG YOY or big grasshoppers under a bobber (at any depth), rubber worms...nothing.

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i have caught 2 of the 6" HSB that i stocked 50+/- days ago. One on a live worm, and one on a small topwater dry fly. i feed every day, and have NEVER seen any of my 20 come up for pellets. imo it's darn near impossible to see them, or tell.
Do you hear laughing sounds when the bubbles pop? I swear iv heard them before. Have you tries a throw net at feeding time?
Jpws, I think the HSB do a lot of their feeding on pellets that have been pushed around by smaller fish and are sinking. I'm not so sure that my HBG haven't learned the same trick. This could explain why so many of us don't see them at feeding time, but yet they still grow so fast.

RS, I have not tried my throw net... The Bass feed too far away from the dock and the HBG feed mostly around sunken stumps and such.

Fishing for my HSB is like Wac-a-mole... They are hitting over there, I cast over there, then they hit somewhere else... I'm like a kid at the arcade, but with an old man attitude.
I have no idea what you look like. I have this picture in my head of an older bald headed man snapping on a game now. Lmao
QA I went down to the pond today around 2:00 cloudy nice and cool. I was going to cast around for a bit to see if I could land a few BG for supper, I just took my go to pond jig that I have used for years to catch crappie in a different hole.



As soon as I got there I witnessed a massacre. Stripers were exploding out of the water everywhere right at the bank of the dam, probably 3/4 of the length of it. I was across the pond by what I have dubbed the BG hatchery thinking man should have come down here for stripers. I stuck with the bg plan. Cast out and BAM jig nailed, drag screaming, I thought I hope I land this toad of a catfish some knucklehead has dumped in my pond so I can whack it in the head. Big relief to see it was a hsb. Caught a second one a few minutes later, then I had to go do something productive.



I will still go with worms the next time i target them, but it's possible these things are likely to smash whatever cross's there path. I also caught 0 BG, but saw lots chowing on pellets tonight.

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Originally Posted By: RStringer
I have no idea what you look like. I have this picture in my head of an older bald headed man snapping on a game now. Lmao


Maybe this will help...



(That's not really me, but it's how I feel at the pond some...most of the time!)

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Mike, You've got a fat and happy fish there! They are a hoot to get on the line aren't they? I'm glad you see similar "happenings" at your pond when it comes to targeting one and getting the other...I targeted both last night and got neither! I think I will give them a break tonight and do something productive too, maybe skipping a meal will change their attitude.
That's a good looking fish right there.
The only thing I can contribute is my experience. I was fishing a lake in central Indiana with family. The bite was slow so I decided to fish for CC with chicken liver. I rigged up a pole with no weight or cork and baited the line with chicken liver (the red ones not the gray). I caught a HSB right before the bait hit bottom on almost every cast!
Time and time again people want to fish in the pond and can't consistently catch fish.

I'll grab a pole and show them what they are missing out on. Even give them some bait to use and they still can't catch the fish. They have larger hooks, use bobbers, etc. and they can't catch anything consistently.

Here's what I use:

Owner Mosquito Hook either #8 or #10 Owner Mosquito Hook

Trilene Vanish 4# test: Vanish

Stubby Steves: Stubby Steve's Original Brown Pellet

I use an ultralight spinning rod that has a line rating that has 4# test in the description. i.e. 2#-6# or 4#-8# or something like that.

I use an ultralight spinning reel (I like rear drag reels) that is also rated for 4# test line. I fill the spool to within 1/16" or so of the outside of the lip.

I'll set the drag by tying a weight that weighs 2# to the line and lift up on the rod/reel. I will adjust the drag so the line barely goes out when the weight is barely touching the ground. Then I DON"T TOUCH THE DRAG.

If using the #8 hook, I will thread one pellet up the hook past the knot so it's resting right on the knot with the line going thru the pellet, then I will put a 2nd pellet on the hook, leaving it right at the bend of the hook. If I am using a #10 hook, I will hook the 2nd pellet thru a "corner" of the pellet to leave more of the gullet of the hook open, or just use one pellet hooked thru the *corner*.

NO weight, NO bobber.

I will cast it out as far as I can (typically near where the fish food pellets will land on the water), and leave it there for roughly 30 seconds. I watch the line where it touches the water like a hawk. If it twitches or moves, set the hook - pellets don't swim by themselves. If nothing bites, reel it in and cast it out again. Rinse and repeat.

I've had HSB hit it as soon as it touches the water, and I've had them hit it right before I reel it in. The pellet doesn't *have to* float, some fish food pellets get waterlogged and slowly sink.

The key to not having the fish swallow the hook is to strike as soon as you see the line twitch. If there is no wind you can also hold the rod tip up higher and watch the "belly" of the line from rod tip to the water If it jumps or gets tighter OR looser, set the hook asap. Again, the pellets don't swim....

Hold the rod up so there is a good bend in the rod, don't horse the fish in, reel down, keeping a bend in the rod, pull up without reeling in, reel down. When the fish runs, just hold the rod as vertical as possible and let it run. USE A NET to land the fish, don't try to fool with lipping it or trying to drag it up on the shore, I like using the rubber nets - less slime coat disruption and the hook won't get caught in the net. Keep the fish in the net to get the hook out if you are going to release the fish, don't let it flop around on the ground. I like having a small set of curved hemostats to grab the hook and get it out of the fish. Bending down the barb will make getting the hook out VERY easy.

As long as the water temp is in the 70's or below the HSB will be fine. I've caught up to 10# HSB on 2# test line doing this, but I prefer to use 4# line when the fish are bigger than 4-5 pounds. More abrasion resistance with the 4# test line. If you are using 2# test, after you catch a fish feel the line from the hook up 10' or so. If you feel any rough spots, retie the hook. I'll retie the hook after catching a few fish if the hook was completely in their mouth, but many fish are just caught in the lip and if the line doesn't have any nicks in it I'll keep fishing without retying.

Posted By: snrub Re: These HSB are getting the best of me! RANT - 12/14/19 01:18 PM
Thanks for those tips esshup.

For some of us, fishing has been a relatively recent addition to skills.

I have personally found that I have a lot higher catch rates using a small hook. I like a 1/32 or 1/64 oz jig hook for catching BG.

When we have some family get together with lots of kids that have little fishing experience or have never fished, invariably their parents will have a great big hook on any fishing gear they have brought. They are not catching fish while the others that I have given home made cane poles with the small hook are pulling in one fish after another. I switch the hook out for them and they go to catching fish.

Now big fish? That I have little experience catching because I am usually fishing for BG. grin
Posted By: NEDOC Re: These HSB are getting the best of me! RANT - 12/14/19 01:24 PM
Great post!
Scott,
I ordered all 3. Will swap out what I’ve been using and give this a try. I’ll let you know.
Question; Use this technique anytime, or when fish are actively feeding (Recent feeder activation)?
Thanks,
Jeff
Originally Posted By: SetterGuy
Scott,
I ordered all 3. Will swap out what I’ve been using and give this a try. I’ll let you know.
Question; Use this technique anytime, or when fish are actively feeding (Recent feeder activation)?
Thanks,
Jeff


Jeff, just a word from my experience. This method works best when fish are actively feeding, though they sometimes hang around feeder all day. Also, I'd recommend you stay away from 4 1/2 foot ultralight rods, too short to cast well & fight larger fish.
Thanks. I have one that is that short. The rest are all longer. I hardly ever use the 4 1/2 footer.
Thx again
Posted By: NEDOC Re: These HSB are getting the best of me! RANT - 12/15/19 02:55 PM
I've gotten two of these in the ultralight 7ft. Absolutely love em...

https://www.amazon.com/Shakespeare-Micro-Series-Spinning-Rod/dp/B00ET24H4K/ref=sr_1_3?crid=6P2CGFWQPDL9&dchild=1&keywords=7%2Bft%2Bultralight%2Bspinning%2Brod&qid=1576421659&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&sprefix=7%2Bft%2Bultr%2Caps%2C275&sr=8-3&th=1&psc=1
The Stubby Steves pellets work anytime, but work a LOT better when it's 1/2 hour before feeding time up to 20 minutes post feeding time.

Tonight I'll make a note of what I use for rod/reel combo.
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