You just described a couple of Lawyers I know
I wonder if all lawyers have fear of snakes
You guys are harsh! If you don't know them, or needed their services, Pond Boss stalwarts Todd (Todd3138) and Eric (EWEST) affect their profession by giving it a good name!
As for the snake -- where is Dave D?? I'm sure he can make a positive identification. Based on what he has taught many of us over the years, here on Pond Boss, I believe that thing is the common, but dreaded
Copperheaded Rattle Moccasin!