Pond Boss Magazine
https://www.pondboss.com/images/userfiles/image/20130301193901_6_150by50orangewhyshouldsubscribejpeg.jpg
Advertisment
Newest Members
DrewSh, PBODE, lou1450, JakehasAmmo, OhioPond
17,833 Registered Users
Forum Statistics
Forums36
Topics39,895
Posts543,160
Members17,834
Most Online3,583
Jan 15th, 2020
Top Posters
esshup 26,889
ewest 21,071
Cecil Baird1 20,043
Bill Cody 14,345
Who's Online Now
8 members (Bill Cody, Flame, catscratch, FishinRod, LANGSTER, ttdigiacomo, RStringer, DrewSh), 243 guests, and 71 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Thread Like Summary
4CornersPuddle, anthropic, Bill Cody, Billy Bates, DannyMac, ewest, FishinRod, gehajake, jludwig, jpsdad, Quarter Acre, Snipe, snrub, teehjaeh57
Total Likes: 41
Original Post (Thread Starter)
#547850 05/13/2022 5:44 PM
by optimalfishfood
optimalfishfood
A big shoutout to Bob Lusk and all the moderators here at Pond Boss for creating and maintaining an excellent playground for all to discuss, share, and learn more. Although we don't get involved in many discussions, we always make time to check in on the forum to see what everyone is up to and follow the threads. The progress at your ponds, the collaborative innovations, the stories, and the camaraderie this forum has is truly inspiring.

We spend a lot of time in one-on-one conversations with customers, pond and lake managers, and pond owners discussing all aspects of fish feed. Just like this forum, these conversations lead to great questions. With that, we wanted to start this thread to provide answers to questions you have.

Our goal isn't to make anyone change what they are doing, switch feed providers, or prove someone wrong. There is no ill-will between Optimal and other feed companies. In fact, it is quite the opposite. Growing up with the odd passion for fish food, we looked up to those in the fish feed industry and still do. Who would have thought, as a small company not even big enough to field our own baseball team, that we would have been able to enter an industry alongside the best of them with such a fantastic cast of customers. I believe Bob could attest to this; there is plenty of fish to feed, and just seeing how far we can push the boundaries of what is possible in our ponds is the ultimate goal of why we do what we do.

With that, we are not going to try to sell you Optimal with our answers. Instead, we want to provide our background and knowledge and answer as many of your feed questions as possible. Hopefully, some of the answers will lead to more questions. I look forward to having some fun and learning together.

Thanks again to all of you for contributing to such a great resource!
Nathan Schulz
Optimal Fish Food
Liked Replies
#548072 May 17th a 06:21 PM
by optimalfishfood
optimalfishfood
Thanks for all the questions so far! We are having fun putting together responses to the questions, and hopefully will have some up on here soon!!
7 members like this
#548218 May 20th a 02:37 PM
by optimalfishfood
optimalfishfood
Thanks again for all the questions, We will attempt to answer all the questions with video answers. Once we figure out how to make better videos; the answers will get better smile We thought this would be a fun way for some of you to see what goes on at a feed mill and our research centers.

We hope you enjoy our videos! At Optimal Fish Food, we strive every day to create feeds that will increase growth, health, and longevity for your fish, but at the end of the day, we are all about growing memories that will last a lifetime. As little kids, on weekend visits to our grandpa's house, he would show us how to shock up worms and we would grab some of his rods and walk to the creek in hopes of catching a fish. Unfortunately, our grandpa wasn't around to see the start of Optimal Fish Food, but it's because of memories like that, which is why we do what we do.

If your goal is to relax by your pond and throw out a handful of feed to watch your fish eat while you enjoy a sunset, or a place to take your grandkids so they can catch their first bluegill, or if your goal is to try to grow a trophy bass then keep doing it and keep having fun. With so many variables at play in a community like Pond Boss, where everyone has different fish, ponds, goals, budgets, and locations, there is no perfect answer for everyone. What works great for one might not work great for another, but having a place to share our experiences, build a community, and grow memories is, in the end, why we are all here.

Every one of you has experiences, theories, and ways you go about enjoying your hobbies, your ponds, and your fish, and we want you to continue doing that.

This industry has been growing rapidly, and innovation and research are constantly being developed, reviewed, and put to the test. As a result, theories around aquaculture and fish management from decades ago have evolved and have been built upon year over year. We like to compare this to a great car mechanic who retired in 1970 with a vast knowledge of fixing a vehicle with four wheels and a combustible engine. Still, if they completely stopped learning about its evolution, they would have difficulty fixing a car built in 2022. Yes, some of the fundamentals would be the same, but I'm sure that mechanic would be wide-eyed and amazed to see where the car is today. Much the same is true in this industry; the evolution of ingredients, formulations, fish nutrition, and feed extrusion has become far more sophisticated from decades ago and developed layers upon layers to the point that the pioneers in the industry would be amazed to see the science has continued to evolve.

With that, we hope you enjoy our attempts at answering some questions. We hope they spark new questions. We hope we get better at making videos. And We hope you continue having fun at your ponds and continue to grow memories that will last a lifetime!

Question: Will Yellow Perch and Hybrid Striped Bass grow just as well on regular "general" fish food, or should they have food specifically for them?

Answer:

Short answer - No. In order to optimize the growth potential of a fish, it is essential to meet the minimum nutritional requirements. Each species of fish, and each of their life stages, has different requirements. If "general" fish food does not contain the proper nutrition to hit the minimal requirements of the fish, then the fish will not grow as well.

Question: What is next at Optimal?

Answer:

One new thing we are about to launch is our line of Premium Starter Feeds. This line has eight sizes and three formulations.

Question: Any technical advancements at Optimal?

Answer:

Always, this will be something we will cover in multiple videos. This video briefly talks about the pulverizer we use in the manufacturing process.

Question: Is sinking feed healthier?

Answer:

Not necessarily. All pelleted feeds have requirements within a formulation for them to be able to hold their shape and handle being thrown into water. A feed can be designed to float or sink based on the setup and operation of the extruder much more than based on the formulation of the feed.

Coming Soon:
Question: Is there a way to determine how much of the food the fish is actually utilizing and how much of the food is passing through the fish and is not digestible? How much of that utilized food is assimilated?
Question: What is the impact of night feeding?
Question: What happens to the difference in FCR?
Question: What are the chances my red ear sunfish will visit my feeder frequently with optimal junior if they haven't been pellet trained in cages?
Question (ongoing): Additional changes, improvements, and pipelines for Optimal?
Question: Do you feel the pre-soaking or 'hydrating' of feed is worth the effort?
5 members like this
#548283 May 22nd a 04:29 AM
by esshup
esshup
Originally Posted by anthropic
Thanks so much, Dustin. Always a pleasure to deal with you & Optimal, just got six more sacks of your feed. My LMB and HSB absolutely love Handthrown chunks.

I asked about sinking/floating due to geese stealing pellets. Given what I've heard here, lots of other pond owners have the same issue. Some floating is important to check on fish response, plus it's a blast to watch, but stupid birds take more than I wish.

This same issue motivates question about night feeding.

My solution to the geese eating the feed is to make sure the geese don't visit the pond, and if they do, it's for a very short time. wink
3 members like this
#547853 May 13th a 07:18 PM
by cb100
cb100
Thank you for the post hopefully there will be some interesting questions and answers. And I hope we can conduct it with respect to all that respond. And we try to keep answers so that those of us that don't hold several doctoral degrees can understand
2 members like this
#547938 May 15th a 12:39 PM
by esshup
esshup
Originally Posted by anthropic
For the Optimal folks, I have a question that so far nobody seems to have investigated. I hear different opinions from smart people, not agreement.

Here's the question: What is the impact of night feeding? I've been told this helps cut down on bird stealing food (geese are bad about this) and birds eating the fish that show up for feed (herons in particular). BG supposedly feed the same at night as during the day.

I've also been told that LMB have a vision advantage over BG when it's dark, so the BG are more reluctant to come out & feed at night.

What are your thoughts? Have you folks ever done any trials on night feeding?

I can tell you from ice fishing at night that BG do little feeding after the sun sets. Ask anyone that crappie fishes how many BG they catch at night vs how many they catch during the day. They might feed when there is a full moon out and there is some light. I've Bass fished at night, typically with a black jitterbug and it works, but in shallow water. You need something that makes noise or sets up vibrations so the fish can find the lure with its lateral line.
2 members like this
#548009 May 16th a 02:34 PM
by snrub
snrub
Makes my head hurt.

Think I will just keep feeding for the fun of it rather than performance.

Just got home yesterday after being gone for three and a half months. Drove the 4-wheeler around the pond once (amongst the three foot tall grass on the dam that needed mowed a month ago) and fish wakes coming toward the shore. They have not forgot what the dinner bell is. Guess I need to get some feed bought. At least the fish think I do.
2 members like this
#548053 May 17th a 12:24 PM
by Sunil
Sunil
"Bottom line is if your fish eat it, are constantly above 100% WR, you've got a good combination of feed/pond organisms that will 99.9% of the time, meet your desires.
Several folks have helped me in many ways here on this forum but some of this has got to a point I don't want to participate anymore, not that I can provide the most useful information to anyone except those in the same locations/environment I have experience in, but the competitive nature of this has become uncomfortable and somewhat useless to what I believe most are here for."


Yeah, this is unfortunate, Kenny, but rest assured knowing that your contributions of knowledge and experience to the Forum are very valuable.
2 members like this
#548065 May 17th a 04:28 PM
by anthropic
anthropic
As an empirical guy myself, completely agree observational results trump our theories. There's just so much complexity in the pond world, even in ponds from the same area, or the exact same pond from one year to the next!

Hope you choose to continue helping inform us.
2 members like this
#548068 May 17th a 04:48 PM
by snrub
snrub
Originally Posted by H20fwler
Originally Posted by snrub
Makes my head hurt.

Think I will just keep feeding for the fun of it rather than performance.

Just got home yesterday after being gone for three and a half months. Drove the 4-wheeler around the pond once (amongst the three foot tall grass on the dam that needed mowed a month ago) and fish wakes coming toward the shore. They have not forgot what the dinner bell is. Guess I need to get some feed bought. At least the fish think I do.


Feeding fish is fun!
I never thought I would get so much enjoyment out of it, the quite time right before dark or early in the morning just standing still flinging fish pellets out over the water and watching them eat it up.
It's almost therapeutic for me, I keep a bag of fish food in the car and stop by the pond before or after work four or five days a week if I can and just unwind as I feed them. Fun to see the fish and help them get fatter and I get to chill out.

Me too. I was never fond of fishing before building a pond. I did it a little as a youngster then did it some with my kids when they were young. But was never an angler at heart. Built the pond for something to look at out our back door. Fish were originally an after thought. Then if I stocked fish, it seemed only appropriate that I should fish for them. Kind of got to where it was an enjoyable pastime and we do eat quite a bit of fish. So fishing was also an afterthought. As was feeding fish. I found Pond Boss Forum and feeding fish seemed like the thing to do.

I would say that feeding fish is as enjoyable if not more so for me as fishing for them. The only "pet" I have the patience to semi-take care of - because they mostly take care of themselves. I have been debating whether to even put out my automatic TH feeder this year. May just hand feed when I get around to it. Growing the biggest fish is not my main goal (although I would not turn down seeing a 2# BG at least once). Aesthetics and casual relaxation are the main priorities. Hand feeding my fish seem to fulfill that goal.

Different strokes for different folks I guess.
2 members like this
#548292 May 22nd a 01:37 PM
by esshup
esshup
Originally Posted by anthropic
My wife likes them for their beauty & antics. The only way I could terminate them with extreme prejudice is if she never found out. Some things just aren't worth the risk! eek


Then maybe have the wife buy the fish feed? grin
2 members like this
#548325 May 23rd a 04:40 AM
by esshup
esshup
Originally Posted by FishinRod
Originally Posted by esshup
Originally Posted by anthropic
My wife likes them for their beauty & antics. The only way I could terminate them with extreme prejudice is if she never found out. Some things just aren't worth the risk! eek


Then maybe have the wife buy the fish feed? grin

If esshup keeps submitting such brutally efficient solutions to pond problems, we may have to start a new "evil genius" sub-forum category. wink

Maybe there is a reason why I'm not married?? LOL
2 members like this
#548039 May 17th a 01:49 AM
by Sunil
Sunil
I've been using Optimal for a few years now. At first, one of the main reasons was ease of ordering from Hoosier Pond Pro's website, but since then, I've had pleasing results. I'm feeding Handthrow and Bass and have just ordered some of the 4.5mm random lengths.

Years ago, on advice from a friend, I would soak all the Handthrow (and AQ Largemouth) for about 10 minutes before feeding. Eventually, I stopped the pre-soak process. Over the course of a year, I felt I lost a lot of LMB participation in feeding on those 1" pellets.

I've gone back to pre-soaking now, and am going to do that for all the feed sizes I use.

I'm also on the cusp of incorporating sinking feed.

So, questions for Optimal are: 1) Do you feel the pre-soaking or 'hydrating' of feed is worth the effort? And 2) As a general rule, is sinking feed at all more 'healthy' for our fish?

Appreciate you guys!!
1 member likes this
#548056 May 17th a 01:53 PM
by H20fwler
H20fwler
Originally Posted by snrub
Makes my head hurt.

Think I will just keep feeding for the fun of it rather than performance.

Just got home yesterday after being gone for three and a half months. Drove the 4-wheeler around the pond once (amongst the three foot tall grass on the dam that needed mowed a month ago) and fish wakes coming toward the shore. They have not forgot what the dinner bell is. Guess I need to get some feed bought. At least the fish think I do.


Feeding fish is fun!
I never thought I would get so much enjoyment out of it, the quite time right before dark or early in the morning just standing still flinging fish pellets out over the water and watching them eat it up.
It's almost therapeutic for me, I keep a bag of fish food in the car and stop by the pond before or after work four or five days a week if I can and just unwind as I feed them. Fun to see the fish and help them get fatter and I get to chill out.
1 member likes this
#548070 May 17th a 05:16 PM
by anthropic
anthropic
Agree 100 percent. When building the pond, I was thinking fishing. Now I find more pleasure watching them feed. Fascinating critters, endlessly entertaining along with the other pond denizens, such as wood ducks, mallards, geese, turtles, eagles, kingfishers, &!xx cormorants, woodpeckers, deer (they like the water), dragonflies, you name it.
1 member likes this
#547901 May 14th a 02:09 PM
by Eastland
Eastland
Hi Sunil, yes, happily made it back! Been thru several properties over the years, last one didn't have sizable water and really missed this place. I'm starting over again with a new property and a 3 acre muddy pond (for now). Took me a very long time to find what I wanted in my price range, but finally have it.

Battling muddy water to start, looked like coffee with a lot of creamer in it, little to no visibility. Have visibility to about 6" now with another round of Alum/Gypsum this week...working with small doses monitoring PH but underestimated what 27 acre feet would take. So far 700 lbs alum/500 lbs gypsum in. Will apply 300 lbs alum the 17th followed by 800 lbs gypsum on the 18th, wish me luck smile
1 member likes this
Today's Birthdays
floatinflowers, Robbie Roberson, Tony Beltrani
Recent Posts
New Southern Ohio Pond
by Bill Cody - 08/14/22 10:45 AM
Grass Carp in California?
by FishinRod - 08/14/22 10:30 AM
35 acre farm pond should I aerate and how?
by Bill Cody - 08/13/22 09:13 PM
Alien life from has invaded my pond
by Bill Cody - 08/13/22 01:40 PM
Water color change from clear green to coffee colo
by Bill Cody - 08/13/22 01:22 PM
Happy Birthday SetterGuy!
by SetterGuy - 08/13/22 09:09 AM
Ol' Stumper (Koi or Goldfish?)
by liquidsquid - 08/12/22 06:47 PM
What did you do at your pond today?
by RAH - 08/12/22 08:30 AM
Leeches?
by JakehasAmmo - 08/12/22 05:44 AM
Would aeration help this scum?
by SetterGuy - 08/11/22 07:53 PM
referral for fish delivery
by Pat Williamson - 08/11/22 06:56 PM
Bad algae? Orange..
by SetterGuy - 08/10/22 04:46 PM
Newly Uploaded Images
Alien lifeforms
Alien lifeforms
by cb100, August 11
test
test
by Dwight, July 29
My possible pond site
My possible pond site
by ArbyTX, July 27
test
test
by Dwight, July 22
Male RES
Male RES
by Shorty, June 27
New Record Bluegill
New Record Bluegill
by Theo Gallus, June 10

� 2014 POND BOSS INC. all rights reserved USA and Worldwide

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5