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#545355 03/18/2022 6:03 PM
by NEOHIO
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I am back and hope I am not exhausting anyone with questions. Adding all the cover I can find, and now I am second guessing whether or not to use the dead pin oak branches since reading about tannins. I see lots of Xmas trees being used, but I don’t have many of those. Mostly tulip and oaks with the occasional downed hemlock.

Should I be cutting down live trees?
Are 6”+ diameter dead wood ok? Without leaves.
Any species of tree I should avoid?

Appreciate the feedback!
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#545360 Mar 18th a 07:22 PM
by esshup
esshup
Rough rule of thumb. Green Oak = no Dead Oak (say at least a year) = OK. Black Walnut = no

This December, a day or 3 before Christmas go to your local Lowes/Menards/Home Depot and talk to the manager in the garden section. Ask him if they will be throwing away any unsold Christmas Trees on Dec 26th. You usually can get all you can carry (and then some) the day after Christmas, but make sure you get there on that day to pick them up. You don't want to burn that bridge.

This is one of 3 loads from three years ago. The trailer is 8' wide x 12' long. I think I was able to fit 100 trees on the trailer per load.

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

Get a big spool of paracord and some cinderblocks. 1 block will be enough weight to keep 6 submerged, I used para cord around the trunk and tied to cinderblocks, making many brush piles in the ponds.

You want approximately 20% - 25% of the surface area in the pond in cover for the fish.
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#545452 Mar 21st a 01:14 PM
by Dave Davidson1
Dave Davidson1
I’m the guy that killed everything in a new 3 acre pond. When the pond was built, about 30+ years ago, I had the big oaks put in the bottom/middle of the pond for structure. It rained a LOT and the bowl of the pond filled. That’s rare in West Texas. I stocked crawdads, bluegills and fathead minnows. Then the water turned black. Crawdads started crawling up onto the bank. No fish came to feed. I got some bluegills from another pond, put them in the inside part of a minnow bucket, and floated them. They all died in a short time.

I found that oaks, regardless of the variety, have a chemical called tanins. I talked to a couple of guys named Lusk and Otto who had just started doing a magazine named Pond Boss. They knew about the oak problem.

I pumped it dry. That took awhile. Awhile is an understatement because I got some pretty good rains. It took all of a Texas summer to pump and dry everything out. When it FINALLY rained again, I tested with some minnows in a minnow bucket. They lived so I began to restock.

To me, oak is only good for burning and whittling.
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#545484 Mar 21st a 11:52 PM
by Augie
Augie
The wooded areas in my part of Misery are thick with various species of oak and hickory.

Pretty much any BOW that's located in a wooded holler gets a massive load of dead leaves every year in the fall,
along with the occasional live or dead tree that falls in due to weather or decay.

I've got a feeling the only right answer to this debate is "it depends".
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