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#544369 02/22/2022 1:27 AM
by Snipe
Snipe
Even though Bill left this for me to read on the SFS thread :), " Remiss: careless in, or negligent about, attending to a task or effort." My wife says Thank you Bill Cody for guidance to her husband for raising a fish she caught yesterday completely and totally under her own skills and judgement, as it was weight certified today and DNA is being tested for potential acceptance of the new Kansas State Record YP of 1lb 7.4oz topping the 22 year old record by 6.4oz.
Thank You Dr. Perca!

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#544431 Feb 23rd a 01:18 AM
by Snipe
Snipe
The post Cecil has with the pic is why I will never put my name on a record from my own pond. 11 days ago I caught a 16-1/8" YP that was 2lbs 11oz and another 14-1/4" weighing 1lb 10 oz (per my scale). The wife catching what she did, damn right I'll let her take it..
She set up her rod, baited it, done it all. She caught 2 nearly identical fish sunday and the reason we kept this one was it was hooked a bit deep and I was afraid it wouldn't make it. I tanked the fish in sedative and salt because I don't want to just fillet a fish like this, I wanted to see if we could save it. When it became obvious it was going to survive I said lets weigh and measure for my records. When I told her it appears to be about a good 5-6oz over State record, her eye lit up and she said "I want it!" no way in hell would I deny her of that. It has brought something out of her that surprised me and that is her new-found interest of exactly what I do down there, connected the dots you might say. This is the first time in 4-1/2 years (since I built the pond) that she has got to fish it. Once or maybe twice a year she goes fishing with me, so I have absolutely no regret to letting her have that seat.
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#544416 Feb 22nd a 08:23 PM
by Snipe
Snipe
Originally Posted by FishinRod
Originally Posted by canyoncreek
Did you fillet and check fat content and egg mass?

And flavor of the fillets?
The fish is back in the pond. The biologist knows we have some even bigger and asked that I not request a new record every month so I'm guessing when someone other than me catches one, we will set a goal for half-pound increments..:-))
And.. if nothing else, we verified my personal scale is indeed accurate.
I thought about tanking the fish with 6-8 males and letting her blow the ribbon but it's just more space taken that I need for SMB, so I'm going to let them blow in the pond and when I get a giant ribbon I will collect and send to Dr. Perca.. Hopefully he can determine if there is truly a genetic thing going on here with growth rates.
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#544383 Feb 22nd a 01:50 PM
by Theo Gallus
Theo Gallus
Not the kind of "Bill Cody and my wife" thread one reads on the True Confessions Forum. shocked
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#544417 Feb 22nd a 08:53 PM
by Bill Cody
Bill Cody
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The bars on the back half of that YP are definitely NOT vertical. Is that due to its rapid growth? Is that a sex differentiation? Is that something particular to your strain of YP? Or are their vertical bars of YP somewhat random in orientation?

It is normal in my experience to see variation of pattern of the vertical bars on yellow perch in every population. The variation seems to me to be genetically affiliated. I get numerous YP with one or a few of the bars in the shape of Y. This pattern equates to the pattern of different stripes on the skin of most fish that have stripes.

The YP pictured above in just the beginning of big perch that will be produced by Snipe. Expect siblings of that YP in 1-2 years to be close to or at 16". Thereafter their diet will determine how much longer they live and grow toward the elusive 17"-19" YP. The state record YP in Michigan is 21".
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#544407 Feb 22nd a 06:36 PM
by FishinRod
FishinRod
Originally Posted by jludwig
Congratulations!

Where was the previous yellow perch record caught from?

The previous state record was from 2000. That YP was caught in a Coffey County farm pond.
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#544470 Feb 24th a 01:35 AM
by Snipe
Snipe
I agree Bill... I use fykes for my fall sampling and the lead is set from shore to about 8' deep.
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#544455 Feb 23rd a 09:21 PM
by Snipe
Snipe
I'm going to add my thoughts to some of your questions, Rod..
First, the question of "Is there something special about most existing state record/world record fish"
Blunt answer: Yes, or they wouldn't stand for 10-15-20-50-100 years.
Small pond management creates the best conditions for sampling, fishing and growing bigger fish because you have a limited area of management, more easily influenced by a managers input.
I'm sure most pond owners that learn proper management that grows above average fish have had several encounters with fish above existing record statis. In my situation, as I said above, I will never put my name on a record from my pond.
In my case I believe I have superior genetics which is one part of the puzzle, management is key, but understanding what you change or don't change in management is not learned overnight and it most cases you can't apply what you don't know without making mistakes to understand it was the wrong move. I don't care how much one researches "Pond topics and growing fish" each pond will be different in how the ecosystem reacts to changes. There are basic principles we can apply but there is no absolute rule to this because there are way too many variables that we may never understand. All we can do is somewhat control what we do understand-in reality, that is all we can apply as managers.
No, I still don't feel guilty allowing my wife to put her name on the new state record YP. Yes, there are some in there bigger than what she caught. When you spend nearly every spare moment you have with fisheries and other related items for 35+ years instead of doing all the things my wife has wished I would have done around the house, I think she more than deserved this honor. I'm not going to feel guilty about it.
My point is this could happen in any pond with the right conditions but we may only have some understanding of half of those variables, so yes, luck, genetics, management we understand and an individual fish having something special is absolutely necessary for these freaks to occur.
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#544503 Feb 24th a 04:12 PM
by jpsdad
jpsdad
I think Kenny's record fish(es) are prime example of what can be accomplished by setting up the conditions that grow fish large. The single most important variable is sufficient consumption to sustain the growth. Kenny's fish are distinguished as being record holders and if you source your YP to his stock then you have the opportunity to produce similar results. It's really great to know that you are beginning with fish who have a track record.

The YP are just the beginning however. You have to insure there is vibrant food chain. So it's not enough to have fish with a proven track record, you need to provide what it takes and achieve a population structure that will produce such fish within your pond's limits of food production. Kenny can help you with that. His food chain utilizes multiple niches that complement and expand his pond's ability to produce food. The minnows and crayfish are highly concentrated energy relative to insects and lepomis. This, I think, plays a role in his success.

Though the YP may not have consumed a lot of Optimal floating on the surface, a fair proportion of Optimal sinks and/or sinks sooner than other floating feed. But in Ken's pond, I am not so sure they really need the feed except for the manuring effect that stimulates his abundant minnow population.

We should be very careful to refrain from using the words "poor genetics" and/or "superior genetics". Few species experience natural selection at the intensity that fish populations do. Fish that possess the traits to survive under the forces of natural selection have, of course, the genetics to survive and grow to above average sizes.

I don't know where Kenny's fish come from originally but if from a local impoundment, they must of good genetic heritage as only the survivors of intense natural selection are represented in the population of adults. This isn't the case with hatchery fish which are denied natural selection influences as much as is possible to maximize yield. It is very important that a hatchery manager make good choices for maintenance of brood in order to produce populations more like the survivors of natural selection. In other words, it's a challenge to prevent the decay of artificially selected strains without good selection practice. It would be very easy to destroy heritage strengths in a hatchery setting by selecting brooders willy nilly. This is because there is little in the way of natural selection working to weeding the weakest genetics. A hatchery wants to sell the entire crop, not just the ones that are exceptions.

The Ketona Lake BG were enormous by any standard, not just records but two world records within a couple of ounces of each other. Had a private fishery obtained stock there, we may well have been buying "Ketona Strain" BG with the thought we had the genetics to grow world record fish. As it turns out, the state of Alabama fisheries biologist investigated and found they had nothing up on their own hatchery selected strain when grown in experimental ponds. This should come as no surprise. The fish probably came from an Alabama state hatchery to begin with. They started with a similar genetic toolset only 20 year (or less) before. In order to grow Ketona Lake quality BG ... you have to replicate the conditions of Ketona Lake.

I've said this before, we worry too much about genetics and whether we have given ourselves a fighting chance from the get go. How hard is it to recreate the conditions of Ketona lake? DARN NEAR IMPOSSIBLE. But if you could there is potential that you could grow World Class BG with otherwise ordinary BG. Only a few of them would be world class because fish are individuals this is why it works to grow freaks. You see if every fish in the lake had freak genes, there would be no advantage for any individual fish to excel with respect to its peers. It takes all of them to create the miracle of Ketona Lake.
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#544511 Feb 24th a 06:36 PM
by RStringer
RStringer
All i can add is... Congrats to you (Kenny aka snipe) and your wife. You are doing what so many on here want to do. Grow huge fish and thats what you are doing. I dont care how ya caught it or what ya feed it. Bottom line is it broke the state record (fair and square). Dosnt sound like you did anything wrong just everything right. I do love how you didnt let yourself take the record. You was planning on letting a kid take it but if ya cant understand letting the wife do it then your not married lol. I can also say I appreciate how much you add to the forum and in person.
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#544525 Feb 24th a 08:46 PM
by RStringer
RStringer
Rod that was not a shoot at you or anyone to be honest. Thats just how i feel. Also yes i believe the freak fish idea. Kinda like theres humans that our over 1000 pounds. Some cant break 100 pounds to save their life. Some can change it some cant. Now im sure people will disagree or feel im fat shaming or skinny shaming. Which is just not true im not shaming anyone. One of these yellow perch from the same momma and daddy could eat the same amount and be totally different size. I hope to see a post from Snipe here in the next year or so with stretch mark on it. It makes me curious to just how big he can get them. Just want to say snipe you keep doing you and please keep posting the results.
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#544518 Feb 24th a 07:48 PM
by FishinRod
FishinRod
Reading Rusto's post using the phrase (fair and square), and Kenny's post using the phrase (don't feel guilty) - I hope those are not in response to something they took from my posts!

If so, it was not my intent to imply any impropriety. I definitely take a vicarious pride in any big fish or record fish produced by the Pond Boss forum contributors! (I currently don't have the capability to produce ANY decent fish in my three puddles.)

Further, I know Kenny has interactions with the state biologists for his area. (I believe several other contributors are also connected to the academic portion of fishery biology community.)

I hope Pond Boss people continuously produce state records. Feedback of advantageous conditions, or even brood stock fish, to the state authorities can only make the public fisheries better. Also, a story in the area newspapers about a record fish, might induce some parents to remember to take their videogaming kids out fishing this year!
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#544553 Feb 25th a 06:41 AM
by esshup
esshup
Originally Posted by anthropic
Originally Posted by esshup
Originally Posted by FishinRod
I also believe that several other people on Pond Boss have raised YP in their ponds that and have created numerous fish that would shatter their existing state records.

I don't know if Nebraska has any record for fish according to line weight but I did catch a 10# HSB out of TJ's pond on 2# test line a few years ago. never thought about entering it in anything, it was released.

Wow! How long was the fight?

About 15-20 minutes. FireIsHot was standing next to me, I remember asking TJ if there were any sticks/snags in the pond, he said no, just weeds.
Shimano Sidestab 1000R (rear drag) Shimano Compre CPS56UL rod. I forget what crankbait, it was SMALL as I was tossing it for BG. Vanish Fluorocarbon line. Set the drag before you start fishing AND DON"T TOUCH IT!
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