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4CornersPuddle, anthropic, Augie, esshup, FishinRod, gehajake, Heppy, jpsdad, NEOHIO, RAH, RStringer, SetterGuy, Steve_, Stressless, Tn_slab_crappie
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by Heppy
Heppy
Stocking plan for my 2.7 acre pond.
stock fatheads, emeralds and golden shiners along with the toads, frogs, and salamanders already there. Get at least 5-10 lbs of each started in the spring, but can do quite a bit more if budget allows feed the minnows during the summer crushed up catfish food or even crushed up high protein feed to grow tons of forage all summer long!
stock the redear sunfish in the spring/summer 2019.
Option 1:
The fall 2019 stocking to do all the species of fish the first fall
75 hsb
75 smb
75 walleye
50 cc
500 yellow perch
250 black crappie
With this plan put/take the predator species about every 2-3 years just add in what you want to take out.
Option 2:
Incrementally add predator species with a focus on something more than another do the crappie and perch and cc this fall and then go on a three year rotation of the smallmouth, walleye, and hsb it would be something like this:
Fall 2019 do about 100 smallmouth and 100 walleye
Spring 2020 do about 50-100 hsb
Then every fall just throw in a few smb, or walleye, or hsb one year do a few smallies, the next year do a few walleye, and the next year do a few hsb.
feed about 100 lbs of high protein fish food per month from April to October with the multi-species pond plan.
Curious as to what others think about this plan and the choice of which option would be best in your opinion?
Note: This is the recommended stocking plan advised to me by a very well known Pond/Lake Management Company not something I thought of by myself. I will be doing one of the 2 options just not 100% on which one.
Thanks for your suggestions!

Heppy
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by Heppy
Heppy
I caught the first Brook Trout the other day from the 50 that were stocked last Fall. It’s pretty amazing the difference in the amount of gain between them and the RBT. According to the hatchery both were started at the same time. The BT was about 6” when stocked and the RBT were 10-12”. Now the BT are 12” and the RBT are well over 3lbs with some pressing 5lbs. Both were fed the same amount at the hatchery yet from increased growth I will only be stocking RBT each fall. The BT have a max temp of 65 degrees and the RBT at 70 degrees. Both are feeding voraciously and still seem to be doing great. Like I mentioned before this is a test to see how long they will last in the big spring filled pond. By August/September I should know whether they could be a year round fish. Not getting my hopes too high just yet.
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by gehajake
gehajake
This is what I made a fire pit out of at the pond. repurposing some old track loader pads that were used to help build the pond originally.
The grill apparatus is partially stainless steel and holds a Weber 22.5 inch grill grate which is readily available for replacement or can be transferred to or from the regular grill and I made it where it can be raised or lowered over the fire with the chain.
Attached Images
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by teehjaeh57
teehjaeh57
They're likely not available for collection - tucked away until Spring. I'm recording an "incomplete" in the grade book, count your stars you're not expelled.
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by Heppy
Heppy
Attention Everyone!
I found a website www.historicaerials.com/viewer where you can plug in your property address and look back in time at how your property was used. There are aerial pictures from as far back as 1948 on mine. It’s very interesting to see how the property has changed over time. Check it out!
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by Heppy
Heppy
20x32’ concrete pad for the pavilion is now poured. Stubbed out for a full bath and electric.
For reference the walkway is 5x30 and the dock is 16x24.
https://imgur.com/a/pepcIB4
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by Heppy
Heppy
https://imgur.com/a/V9FTO4B
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by teehjaeh57
teehjaeh57
At the risk of making things more complex than necessary.....Per Lusk and Kenny, stocking adult fish into new BOW environment can lead to:

1. fish thriving and continuing to grow
2. fish plateau and don't grow much
3. fish decline in new environment [lose weight and/or die]

Lusk had some % of each to expect in recent article regarding adult fish collection/transport/stocking. This is proven science per Lusk and Kenny, so bank on it.

Now, one benefit of stocking adult SMB would be at least getting reproduction going this season and not waiting for age 0 fish to reach sexual maturity [could be a year or two], and even if the transported adult fish don't thrive, you do have a population established via spawn and that generation growing much sooner.

Another benefit is selecting only obviously thriving adult fish to stock from your collection efforts, you're ultimately in control of the genetic selection [IE: Select only fish exceeding 110 WR, etc.]. If you aren't in love with the body condition of the fish, release and keep collecting. So while Kenny and Lusk are obviously correct about tempering expectations on the performance of stocking adult fish, there are a couple potential benefits to consider before you scrap the plan entirely. Even if the stocked fish don't thrive, you still have their genetics established in the pond and their offspring should perform well in the coming years.

FYI: I started my SMB fishery 13 years ago stocking both thriving, adult fish collected [15 fish] AND stocking age 0 6-8" feed trained fish from Rex via Fountain Bluff Hatchery. I'm not recommending you do this, however for me things worked out well. Again, just temper your expectations on the performance of the adult fish if you go this route.
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by Heppy
Heppy
Steve,
I meant BCP for Black Crappie and CC for channel catfish. Thanks for the help!
Heppy
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by Heppy
Heppy
I’m moving the Z trap around the pond to find the spots where it is most effective with dog food in a mesh bag. Shallow areas along the dam have been the best thus far. I agree with you Augie this trap should be able to control the unwanted BG population. In addition you also get to sample other fish and evaluate how they are doing.
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by jpsdad
jpsdad
Originally Posted by Heppy
Thanks jpsdad but I have to give all the credit to Bill Codys’ knowledge and help getting me started on the correct path.

Bill deserves credit for his great tutorship. After receiving it, however, you still must choose to follow it. I think that deserves credit too. Be cause you followed his good lead, you are now on the path of helping others do the same and that can make a difference.
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by Heppy
Heppy
FishinRod,
Not to mention temps were in the mid nineties most of the time. All work and no play makes Heppy a dull boy! (The Shining) reference with Jack Nicholson if anyone remembers. Starting Friday night the fun begins!
Tip: Wait for cooler weather to dig out fire pit, shovel gravel and carry boulders if anyone is considering building a fire pit of their own. You can thank me later!
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by Heppy
Heppy
Rstringer,
Here are a couple pictures of the fire pit before I did the weedeating and bush hogging. The exterior of the pit is 6 feet across. There is a metal and pvc pipe for the drain so that the fire pit doesn’t hold water. I’m looking to add something similar to gehajake as a cooking surface that swings out of the way for campfires or bonfires.

https://imgur.com/a/Z10TqlP

I also ran across an idea for firewood storage near the fire pit.

https://www.diynetwork.com/how-to/make-and-decorate/crafts/how-to-build-an-outdoor-firewood-shed

Does anyone have other ideas or things you have done to store your wood?
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by Heppy
Heppy
Thanks all! I thought you might enjoy that link. wbuffetjr, brookies are so good that I named my daughter Brooke! Then again, I named my first born son after a bow company back in the day. I guess you can tell my heart has always been in the outdoors! Give God all the praise and glory, enjoy the little time we have in His outdoors. Have fun y’all while we are all trying to figure it out.
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by Bill Cody
Bill Cody
Snipe has good suggestions for pond plants. Also search the past posts for suggested pond plants. There are about 8 to 15 types that are commonly suggested on this forum. Reading through the Common Q&A Archives is a good place to start. Here is a link to get you started.
http://forums.pondboss.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=440475#Post440475

Archives
http://forums.pondboss.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=22&page=1

See this planted pond by RAH
http://forums.pondboss.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=39487&Number=514344#Post514344


Look into getting some hardy hybrid water lilies established this spring. It takes a couple to several years to develop a decent 10X10 ft bed of lilies. There are 4 types, dwarf, small, medium and large. Each type growing from shallow to deepest water.
Here is a link to a few small varieties.
https://pondmegastore.com/collections/dwarf-and-small-hardy-water-lilies
Best lilies are not cheap and one has to baby them and prevent herbivores (turtles to waterfowl) from eating and killing them before they get established. Good strong establishment can take several years. Transplanting is an important method, done incorrectly and the new rhizomes will not thrive. They are too expensive to be casual and reckless with them.
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by teehjaeh57
teehjaeh57
Hey man, either way you go you're not going to make a mistake, it just comes down to your timeline and goals...are you patient, or do you want to get there yesterday?

If you ever want to chat I'm happy to help, I love discussing anything cool water species oriented. I've made nearly every fish management mistake possible, and invented all sorts of cool, new ways to accidentally kill fish. We can cover a lot of ground in 15 min - ping me anytime - my time is always free to the PBF.

tj@hudlandmgmt.com

TJ

PS: I just reviewed this thread from start to finish, sorry I never chimed in sooner as you directed some questions my way. Cody placed you on temporary probation, you went ahead and stocked BCP and CC anyhow, and never posted photos of your crays so he could verify species. I do not recommend offending Dr. Perca with your insolence moving forward. SMDH. You can lead a Hep to water.... wink
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by Heppy
Heppy
I wanted to share a website that was given to me to help anyone that is looking to stock alternative native forage for their ponds. I am picking up my Z trap from the farm and my adventure begins next week for the Satinfin shiner. If you would like to catch/trap your own to diversify forage in your own pond this one is for you.

http://fishmap.org/

Enjoy!
Heppy
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by Heppy
Heppy
Finally! Satinfin or Spotfin shiner?
[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]


Thanks esshup for removing the link and adding the picture!
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by Pat Williamson
Pat Williamson
Man that’s nice!
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by Heppy
Heppy
Added about 2000 threadfin shad the first week of March. We have taken 8 trout out pan fried with Big Spring Mill Seasoned Flour. Talk about delicious! Pavilion build should be finished by the end of the month as long as the weather cooperates.

https://imgur.com/a/lvEWhsk
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by Sunil
Sunil
Those Yellow Perch are awesome, Happy!!!
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by ewest
ewest
Nice YP pics.
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by Heppy
Heppy
Some of the YP pics kids caught one afternoon last week. I didn’t have a tape or scale with me at the time.

https://imgur.com/a/u0JmUjD
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by Bill Cody
Bill Cody
Heppy - You are doing something correctly for growing yellow perch in Virginia. Nice fish. You seeing any egg ribbons yet? As far south as you are you may have had egg ribbons 7 to 10 days ago. How much had the trout grown since October 18.?? You might be able to get another 2"+ on their size before the water gets too warm. Keep feeding them daily for best growth.
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by FishinRod
FishinRod
Great looking pavilion, Heppy.

Let the family fun times begin!
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by Heppy
Heppy
I’m not sure about solar. Ours is hardwired. Here’s the website.
https://www.deepglow.com/
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by anthropic
anthropic
I thought, probably mistakenly, that RBT are more heat tolerant than BT. But my experience is similar to yours, in that RBT take to feed aggressively & grow very fast. Hope they last the summer for you!
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by esshup
esshup
Cable scares me. If it breaks it's a whip and you have no idea where it will end up. Some years I work with trees in the winter, cutting down some bigger Oaks and have to direct which way they fall sometimes with a 65 hp tractor. I bought a 150' long piece of 1/2" Amsteel rope https://www.samsonrope.com/utility/amsteel. It is light enough to float on water, and has a breaking strength of 26,500 pounds with a min breaking strength of 23,200 pounds. It has minimal stretch, so it won't whip around if it breaks.

I can carry the 150' long piece with the heavy clevis pins and the associated attachment hardware in a 5 gal bucket with one hand.

I forget where I purchased it, but the color that I purchased was red and it was 50% off because after it was out in the sun for a while it turned pink and it wasn't selling as good as the other colors. I don't care if it's purple. The downside to it is that it cannot take any type of heat, so you cannot use it on a capstan type winch.
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by esshup
esshup
I'm a big fan of overkill. The way I look at it, if you take care of it the rope will last for many, many years. I had the company put thimbles in the ends of mine, so I didn't have to tie knots. They also put a 6' anti chafe sleeve over one end for me and used heat shrink tube to hold it in place. I got a pulley where the sides rotate so I can put it around the rope with the thimbles on the ends. The pulley is rated for around 10K pounds I think and it is stainless steel - no corrosion. I've had the rope for probably 10 years and have used it for many things. I think I paid around $3/foot for the whole thing and it is well worth it.

I don't know if I'd go smaller than 3/8" of that amsteel rope for your application, and wouldn't feel bad going 1/2".

I believe I found the pulley on an arborist supply site. I use it to tie off to a tree so I can direct the way the tree falls if I can't get a straight pull with the tractor. 65 hp, 4wd tractor can put a lot of tension on it when you have the FEL bucket full of dirt and in low gear!!
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by esshup
esshup
Originally Posted by Heppy
Originally Posted by esshup
As long as it was plants that don't propagate via fragments you are golden!!

This and all the manual labor involved ended up being nothing more than wishful thinking. The weeds have now reappeared to about half of the original amount in the beginning. What I believed to be Widgeon grass was identified as Naiaid. I spoke with the previous owner of a pond management company who made the identification. He told me I would need
Diquat 1 gallon per acre in liquid form. Dilute 50/50 with water
+
Clipper water soluble powder form algaecide 1 lb per acre
+
Hydrothol 191 salt based product 1/4 gallon per acre
All three mixed together in a backpack sprayer. Also add GC

Minimum of 3 treatments March-October if I were to do to it myself. As I have stated it is a flow thru pond and I can easily drop the level with the bottom drain. Dropping it 2-3 feet then closing the drain will allow the chemicals to work for a couple of days. This sounded like the way to go for me, then I added the cost for only the chemicals for 1 year. *********!
Now I’ve made initial contact with a pond/lake management company to see how much the different annual plans cost. Does anyone have a ballpark prices to be expected?

Just use the clipper by itself or the Hydrothol 191 by itself. Be careful with the 191, apply it from the shore outwards to the deeper water - it can kill fish if the concentration is too much and they can't escape it.
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by esshup
esshup
Originally Posted by Heppy
No problem esshup. I’m assuming you are saying 1 gallon of Cygnet plus per acre and 11.34 pounds of Clipper is the correct amount. Thanks for your help!

Just got back from another fish run. Yes, you are correct.
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by esshup
esshup
Originally Posted by Heppy
Thank you for your help esshup! I truly appreciate it!

Let me know how it turns out. I am starting to wage war on Watermeal on my pond. Can't use Clipper because I don't want to kill the American Pondweed. Going with Stingray. I about had a heart attack when I found out the price.........
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