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#577123 11/18/2025 9:43 PM
by Horkstram21
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Quick background: Just added 8000 intermediate CNBG late last month to 3.5 acre pond with existing LMB. Been aggressively harvesting the bass the past 6 months. CNBG are doing well (lots of them all along the banks and newly placed cover - also see large schools of tiny CNBG from the latest spawn of the summer). Prior to the supplemental stocking, there were already quite a few large CNBG in the pond.

My goal is to have a great bass fishery, so my primary goal with the bg is forage, but I do think it is great to have the option to catch a big CNBG.

With that goal in mind, would anyone recommend any sort of strategy for when I want to fry up some CNBG? Try to stick to males only? Or does it really matter?
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#577131 Nov 19th a 04:42 PM
by Bill Cody
Bill Cody
I will step in and help add the needed information for why harvest mainly the female BG is important. Note the suggested sizes to be harvesting in the link below. Important notes are pay attention to what the usual life span of BG will be in your local climate and harvest accordingly. For your specific goals of trying to have maximum fry production to grow LMB then use wise fishery management, discretion of harvest and use only limited harvest of the oldest adults. Harvest any size that swallow the hook or a bleeding after hook removal. Those fish almost always die within the next 3 weeks.

No harvest or very limited harvest of the largest male BG is based on published research about BG breeding behavior. It is the largest male BG that dominate the spawning areas. They occupy the most central area as bullies of the spawning area where eggs are most likely to hatch and produce the most and best fry. Largest males as a group suppress the smaller males from spending their time reproducing that results in these smaller males to keep eating and growing to then quicker become larger dominating males. This bahavior enhances the genetics by maintaining larger faster growing BG providing there is not an overabundance or too much crowding of BG numbers. Over crowding of too many BG per acre results in overall less or slower growth rates, more health problems, more stressors among individuals in the population and reduced water quality,,, in that there are more times and chances of "unhappy water" that can result in fish kills. Population numbers monitoring and management of the BG population are very important for having or growing high quality BG.

Below is a portion of the Bluegill Harvest Guidelines from the PBoss Website. Read through all the information in the link and use all the suggestions for learning more about good harvest of bluegill (BG).
https://www.pondboss.com/news/moderators-corner/bluegill-harvest-guidelines

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"Bruce Condello, the expert of BigBluegill.com (and other students of BigBluegill), currently thinks the goal for a memorable or trophy bluegill fishery should be to perform the larger part of harvest from midsize groups of 6”-8” bluegill. Harvesting 6” to 8” bluegill will protect the largest size classes and maintain numerous big bluegill, which provides great long term exciting angling experiences for young and old anglers. Harvest only a very few of those largest deeply hooked bleeding fish in the 9” to 10” category each year. This amounts to removing only three to six of the biggest bluegill per acre per year. Protect your biggest male bluegill to maintain the highest quality angling fun.

To take harvest for big bluegill management to the next level, remove more females than males. Learn to recognize the difference between an adult bull male and the lady bluegills (see information in the Common Pond Q&A Forum Archives about growing Bluegill). Fast growing bluegill usually do not mature and are not easily recognizable until they are 7.5” to 8” long. If you are able to recognize the sex of bluegill smaller than 7” this indicates slow growing and probably stunted bluegill who are too crowded and not getting enough food. Too much over crowing of any fish specie or any animal specie results in problems - usually health problems sooner or later

In a pond where bluegill are fed high-quality fish food pellets, harvest about 30% to 40% of the mid-size bluegill (which often amounts to 20 to 30 6-8” fish per acre per year). After the pond is 6-7 years old, do not overharvest so that each year you have some fish to replace the natural old age mortality of 20%-40% that occurs each year in every pond. It is REALLY important to keep good catch harvest records if you are serious about maintaining a long term high quality bluegill population. When the average size of fish you are catching gets smaller or the number of bluegill catches per hour decreases you need to look at making changes to your management style. Seek help on the Pond Boss Forum if you have doubts as to what changes are needed for your specific pond conditions. Each pond can have its own unique characters and problems.

The dilemma for the pond manager is, “How many and what size bluegill to remove?” A normal pond should have some type of annual harvest because natural mortality of old bluegill will occur each year despite you not seeing any floating, dead fish. Old age bluegill usually do not float after they die. They decompose on the bottom. Some annual harvest keeps remaining fish healthier and growing better than no harvest."

Growing lots of BG to feed a strong, high quality or large LMB is a tricky balancing act. One good option IMO for growing high quality LMB is to not just rely on BG as forage food for LMB and incorporate more diversity of forage items so better quality BG can be grown for a more regular BG harvest. Keep in mind that when too many LMB are present it takes more forage foods to feed those ever increasing numbers of LMB. Proper Harvest of LMB is also very important to produce a high quality fishery. Proper harvest of LMB is another important topic for having or growing a high quality fishery for ones GOALS of having the fish.
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#577126 Nov 18th a 10:36 PM
by ewest
ewest
IMO wait until after those new CNBG have spawned next spring. Then decide on a course of action. I don't harvest my biggest male BG - only smaller ones (6 inch type) if that is your goal.
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#577135 Nov 19th a 09:25 PM
by ewest
ewest
Thanks, Bill, for the explanation.

In addition, I don't harvest the first fish stocked into a new pond (absent some unusual situation). I believe it is best to let them live out their lives and instead focus on managing the succeeding generations which is where the balancing problems occur.

Good idea IMO on stocking the TFS as they are excellent forage for LMB in the 1 -4 lb. range. That is often the range where LMB exhibit stunting/overpopulation. That relives the prey pressure on BG in the 3-6 inch range so they can grow to forage for the larger LMB. Harvesting some (low RW) LMB in that size range and letting the remaining ones get past the overcrowding range helps. There are some good threads on how to successfully establish TFS which I recommend. One key is to stock them in the spring just before they spawn into plankton rich waters.
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#577140 Nov 20th a 05:34 PM
by ewest
ewest
From -

Prof Anderson - who literally wrote the book on RW posted.

Keep taking <12 in bass until the number 8-12 equals number 12-15. Ideal pond structure is 40% 8-12, 40% 12-15 and 20% 15+

See link for info on RW and RC.

This ,from Dr. Anderson who literally wrote the book on PSD and RW may help (from an old thread).

Read these threads on PSD for guidelines which include comments from the Prof who developed the concept Richard Anderson.

http://forums.pondboss.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=23612&page=1



http://forums.pondboss.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=23960&page=1


Dick Anderson


Registered: 18/09/06
Posts: 5
Loc: TX, MO, WI
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#577139 Nov 20th a 03:59 PM
by ML10
ML10
Same for us.

We don't have the money or time to invest in a TROPHY fishery, but with a little effort we can definitely have a great fishery. I see those 'wolf pack' bass swarming when I go too. They do a number on those small bluegill...
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