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#571310 10/30/2024 1:34 PM
by WhiteOak
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Hello, I am looking into building a pond anywhere from 0.5 acres up to 2.5 acres. I have a few different locations on my property that may be suitable from a topographical/drainage perspective. I will have test holes dug prior to starting any pond. I am currently talking to different pond builders.

One fellow is a dirt mover that also builds ponds. He only uses a scraper for compaction when placing the keyway/core trench. He says that with good clay a scraper alone in lifts should seal up a pond. The other 3 pond builders I've talked to use sheepsfoot rollers. I've read on here a few people using scrapers but most seem to prefer sheepsfoot rollers.

Does anyone have input on this? After digging test holes on site, if the clay is good would you have hesitations having a scraper alone used for compaction. He pulls it with a large tractor.

One of the reasons I like this individual builder is that his references like him and he is relatively affordable. He also quotes the whole job rather than hourly if you like which I do prefer I think. I was considering having him dig a 0.5 acre pond first and budget for a liner in case it doesn't hold water as a fail safe.

Thanks for any input.
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#571332 Oct 31st a 12:01 AM
by Bill Cody
Bill Cody
I also agree with the others who have good experience for the best soil compaction method that is needed for a pond to reliably hold water. Best compaction is critically important. Some dirt movers will skimp on this VERY important part of pond building due to having lack of proper equipment. IMO they try and make do with the equipment they have on hand.

The main reason the weighted scraper is not a good compactor is because it does not knit and intertwine the lift layers together. The scraper smashes the layers however the two layers smashed together as sheets can eventually have seepage develop between those sheets of lifts because the smashed lifts are not well knitted together as one compacted unit. If scrapers were really good at compacting layers of dirt/clay there would not be specialized equipment of sheepsfoot types as soil compactors. Also the mechanical sheepsfoot compactor is the very best because it squeezes water out of the soil so it less likely will allow seepage through it. See more info below.
Think about it. One should use the best tool for the job if you want the best result with the material you are working with. Where this really becomes very important, is ground for building almost all pond basins has a few or several patches or spots where the clay does not have optimum structure and looser soil materials exist. In these areas the soil should be mixed together and these spots are where OPTIMUM compaction becomes VERY important to minimize seepage and leakage in freshly built ponds and then later as pond ages the seepage can work its way between the sheet formed layers created by the Scraper.

I would never use a loaded scraper to build a pond. Way too many chances for leakage spots to occur even when using what looks like all good clay material. It is much cheaper and better to rent the right sheepsfoot compactor than spend time, aggravation and money trying to FIND and fix a pond leak. Just finding the leak site can be a really big challenge. Is it one spot, two spots or several leakage areas? Plus how does one find all those leakage areas???

From construction websites.
Padfoot rollers: Padfoot — or tamping foot — rollers break the bonds between soil particles to compact them better. The tapered feet prevent the soil from fluffing, decreasing its ability to absorb water. Padfoot rollers have large lugs and could either be static or vibratory. The static models are also known as tamping rollers. The drum is covered with bumps that knead and knit the soil layers together and increases its overall compacting strength. Typically, padfoot rollers are used for clay and other fine-grained soils. They operate at high speeds and can also break large lumps. Padfoots are versatile, typically used to compact cohesive soils like clay and silt. They feature a heavy vibrating steel drum with rectangular or cylindrical knobby pads that pierce and compress the soil, resulting in a compacted surface.

The sheepsfoot roller is most effective for compaction of plastic soils like clay or silt, according to Bomag Americas a leading roller manufacturer. The sheepsfoot compacts from the bottom of each lift towards the top. High contact pressures cause the feet to penetrate through the loose material and actually compact the material directly with the foot tip to reach optimal soil compaction levels. A number of passes are required with a sheepsfoot roller because of the small area compacted by each foot. Self-propelled embankment compactors, are capable of higher productivity than towed sheepsfoot rollers because they can travel at higher speeds. A tamping foot mechanical roller has feet, or pads, that penetrate the soil, compacting from the bottom to the top for uniform density. The forces of gravity and vibratory impact simultaneously compact from the top down. Due to the foot shape, and in combination with vibration, these rollers achieve a kneading and impact effect while the imprints left contribute to a reduction of water content.

I was always told by a soil scientist that double barrel sheepsfoot is much better at compaction for creating pond liners than single barrel pull behind sheepsfoot rollers

Here is the in depth Soil Compaction Pond & Dam Building thread from the Pond Boss Archives
https://forums.pondboss.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=542647#Post542647
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#571331 Oct 30th a 11:54 PM
by teehjaeh57
teehjaeh57
Hi White Oak, welcome to the Pond Boss Forum. I volunteer for multiple organizations as I possess rather specialized knowledge: Pond Construction, rehab, and leak abatement. Contractor, site, and equipment selection at this stage of your project is absolutely critical to get right so you can avoid a call to me in a couple of years dealing with leaks. I’m happy to chat and review your situation and provide my insights to help you moving forward. As a volunteer moderator my time is always free to the folks in this great community.

A scraper can be used with a degree of effectiveness however it’s largely dependent on the plasticity index of our parent material. I’ve seen many ponds built which are relatively leak free dealing with excellent parent material with nothing more than a dozer and excavator. I do not recommend this method just mentioning it’s a very common practice and can work. A pad foot or sheep’s foot roller was designed for a singular purpose: to compact material. I always recommend using compaction equipment, even if a contractor has to rent it. The PSI generated by rollers exceeds that of tracked equipment or rubber wheeled equipment exponentially.

Lots more to review here, including your watershed and annual rainfall, plasticity of your native material, credentials of your contractor, etc. Feel free to reach out and we could schedule a call-I’m happy to help however I can.

[email protected]
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#571353 Oct 31st a 04:37 PM
by jludwig
jludwig
Originally Posted by WhiteOak
Originally Posted by jludwig
Is the scraper one unit or is it a tractor and scraper?

It is a tractor and scraper. Two separate pieces of equipment.

We have success with a tractor and scraper but it takes a skilled and knowledgeable to do this successfully.
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