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by catscratch
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Recently discovered that I probably have gizzard shad in my pond. Not sure what to do about it and looking for suggestions.

It's 19 acres at full levels. Has a lot of shallow areas. And plenty of coontail around the edges.

Spent the summer removing bass (mostly anything under 3lbs) and crappie. The pond has both black and white crappie, as well as bullheads.

We've caught plenty of 5-7lb bass and the occasional crappie that's over 16".


No way I'll be able to kill it out and start over. Is there a recommended plan of management for a scenario like this?
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by esshup
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Originally Posted by catscratch
Back to the original question... ASSUMING they are gizzard shad how do I move forward? I spent the summer removing bass (goal of 20lbs/acre). If I have gizzard shad would that have unintended consequences? Would it give shad the opportunity to over populate and end up dominating the biomass of the pond? Or am I still on the right track going forward with a yearly goal of removing bass?

In a Northern pond, Gizzard shad WILL overpopulate no matter what you do, that is if shad management methods aren't implemented. The shad will grow too large for the bass to eat in less than two years. In a 19 ac BOW, nothing is cheap. The state here in Indiana, in larger public bodies of water will do a low dose of rotenone to kill most of the gizzard shad but not any of the other fish. If it was my pond, I'd start a feeding program for the BG to bump their population and fecundity, then I'd do a low dose rotenone treatment and follow up after that treatment in a month with a whole lake electroshock survey, even the open waters to monitor the shad population. While some shad are OK, getting too many will skew the fish biomass. Then 2 years down the road I'd do another electroshock survey to check the GSD population and LMB population. If GSD population is rebounding from when the first survey was done, I'd schedule a low dose rotenone treatment for that year and the next two consecutive years. THEN schedule another electroshock survey to monitor the fish population after those 3 treatments. I would schedule the treatments for late June to allow the treatments to target any YOY GSD that were hatched the prior 60 days vs. letting them grow larger and most likely spawn the following year.

For an example a local 365 acre lake had Gizzards introduced years ago. (the whole lake was rotenoned by the state in the late 1960's due to a carp/gar overpopulation). When the DNR did a gill net survey some years ago they found that over 60% of the fish biomass in the lake was Gizzard Shad. Maybe due to the gill net size, but the majority of the shad caught were too big to be utilized by the LMB for food.

Some other impoundments in the state that have a Gizzard Shad problem were stocked with Stripers, NOT HSB.

Oops, I forgot the LMB question. I'd continue to remove the LMB, but go according to RW. Remove the same poundage per surface acre (20#) but only LMB that were below 90%. If post spawn, I'd drop that RW figure to 80%-85% depending on how the LMB looked. i.e. a post spawn female will have shoulders but have a low RW. Once you catch enough LMB you will be able to tell if it's a cull or a return to the BOW.
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by catscratch
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Yes FishinRod, I've always seen little fish jump as they get chased up into the shallows. Always thought they were native minnows or Golden Shiners. In the waters I fished growing up the shad jumping was normally not in the shallows near bank, but further out. Since there was a pattern difference I never really thought to associate them together. But maybe?

Crappie populations fluctuating is a possibility due to (I'm guessing) many things. Could be due to low water levels, introduction of shad, change in predator and forage numbers, etc. I just had noticed earlier in the summer that we were having problems catching crappie and it hasn't changed. Been a mystery so when I found those shad I thought maybe they were the cause. I really don't know.

ewest - I don't have a positive ID. I posted pics on another thread. I think they look gizzard-ish, but once again I'm unsure.
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by catscratch
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FishinRod, having grown up with gizzard shad I'm pretty familiar with them and their sign. Up until this point I'd never seen anything in the ponds that I fish that indicate them. I've seen the small splashing that you describe my whole life and it doesn't match what I see when I'm on a place that has gizzard shad. Not saying you're wrong, just saying that a lifetime of fishing south central KS ponds and watersheds haven't produced the same shad sign that fishing the Arkansas river, the Walnut, and reservoirs has produced.

Our watershed froze over last winter, as well as what was left of the creek that feeds it, and the small ponds upstream. Everything was low or dry due to drought. I'm not seeing conditions that I think threadfin could survive in.

I've watched the video posted on the other thread several times and keep coming up with gizzard shad. If it wasn't for a huge amount of respect for ewest and his opinion I wouldn't be questioning myself on the id.
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by esshup
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FWIW, Threadfin shad will not survive in water that freezes over unless it is deep and they have a warmer water place to go, like a power generating cooling pond. My vote is Gizzard.
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