Argument? Not me....just trying to understand the huge differences in described behavior.

I'm certainly not a turtle expert, never intend to be one, and would not dare try to explain the turtles' thinking...my only reason in giving that analogy was to say that positive reinforcement, even in the hundreds at the feeders, can be undone very quickly in the pond behavior I have observed...but I'm not a PHD either, just a regular plain old East Texas bumpkin who has trouble understanding why I should fish at fish feeders when I am after fish growth.