the more i think about, and with all the rain were getting, i have lots of time to think about it(about 5 inches the last 2 days ).I think i want to first try Eddie's idea of attaching the beams to the outside posts, instead of the inside post. I can get a tremendous weight cancellation of the beams with the fulcrum point close to the middle of the beam,as opposed to lifting the entire beam and joists. .I fudged my overhang to about 40% of the beam length. I think i can attach the overhang joists with the beams hanging vertically from the posts,then have the inside part of the beams available as a lever to pull down and attach to the middle posts. I'll give it a try and report back, if it ever quits raining! I have never seen it rain this much in this part of texas.Feels like we ought to be in the pacific northwest \:\)