ML, well stated. The TGG were 4-5 inches at stocking correct? It is good you are comparing to your ponds, but we can get CNBG from 4-5 inches to well into 9 inches in less than year, so if we had the same GG growth here it would be disappointg to me. We stocked the same fish in a pond in SC about the sametime and never caught a single fish nor did any showup via electrofishing. Still not sure if predation from lmb, hauling stress or what happened.