Thanks the pond is about 4 or 5 yrs old. SMB 2 yrs and YP 3.

Cecil, I have some really tiny cigars but they are pound for pound as rich in flavor as any other type of cigar ;\)

Funny thing is wher the SMB spawned is not where I placed the sand and gravel for them to spawn. They chose a spot near a drop off where I just created a shallow area last year and it was mostly clay with some smaller rocks. The mother liked to stay on the ledge and drop off when needed.

On a daily basis now ( way different from last year ) I can see the SMB near the surface just sunning themselfs. At any given time can see about 14 on or around the surface or edges.

Now I still never see the YP unless I put in a line and drag them off the bottom.


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1/10 - 1/4 acre pond plus 16 ft deep/ Plus 40 ft by 20 ft by 6 ft deep koi and fathead minnow pond next to it. Upstate NY