Mikel, thanks I'll check that out.

SHAWN BANKS. thanks for the tip, do you think the Lowes in Liberty carries that? I,m planning on putting gravel and larger rock in the pond for habitat. Glad to here the cold snap is over, my contractor should be able to start the pond midweek if the ground thaws out enough. I drive 116 to our farm so I probably pass right by your place. were off 116 just west of Braymer a couple miles. Thanks again, Mark.