Thanks guys. I'm going out today and throw some structure in the middle of the pond. The water is cloudy so maybe the c's haven't found them yet. I'll tie rope to the structure so that I can pull it out in a few weeks. I'll probably throw an old tire and a Christmas tree in. Thanks for the help. Hope my pond doesn't get waylaid by a bunch of foul birds, but my son sure is going to be happy to have permission to shoot something. He didn't harvest many dove this year, his aim isn't very good.